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Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America
The Cato Institute ^ | July 16, 2006 | Radley Balko

Posted on 07/18/2006 2:00:20 PM PDT by rbalko

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To: clamper1797
"However, the provisions of this section shall not apply in the case of a person who exposes poisonous substances upon premises or property owned or controlled by him for the purpose of controlling or destroying predatory animals"

Cats are predatory animals. All they have to do is claim the cats are killing the birds they keep on their property. Or they can claim the anti-freeze is to keep away skunks, racoons, or rats. Maybe the DA disagrees, if so, then it is a case for a jury to decide.

101 posted on 07/19/2006 7:31:32 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: clamper1797
forgot this part ...

Maliciously neglecting, harming, killing or poisoning an animal can be charged as a felony and may carry a penalty of one year or more in state prison and/or a $20,000 fine.

102 posted on 07/19/2006 7:34:43 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: oneolcop

I live in Omaha Ne. we have three police unions one white, one black & the Hispanic officers association.

The past editor of the F.O.P. wrote a column in the "Shield" that disagreed with a position taken by the Black police unions leadership. The president of the black union then gave out the unlisted phone number & unlisted address on a public access cable of the white officer & encouraged the audience to give the white officer "a phone call" .

The result was a series of phone threats against the white officer & his family. When the white officer confronted the president of the black police union demanding what right he had to recklessly endanger his family , it took several other officer including a field supervisor to keep the black police officer from drawing HIS weapon & SHOOTING the white officer .

The black officer was given a short suspension & a written reprimand . Should I really trust this collection of dolts?
WOULD YOU?


103 posted on 07/19/2006 7:39:58 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: FreedomCalls

Lame assed excuses for the creatins is NOT going to get them off. They don't keep birds and they bragged about poisoning the animals to other neighbors. These people
are sick ... and so is ANYONE who would condone what they did. The law does NOT recognize domestic cats as 'predatory animals WHO KILL LIVESTOCK" Skunks and raccons are protected species and poisoning them is also ILLEGAL.


104 posted on 07/19/2006 7:47:54 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: clamper1797
Lame assed excuses for the creatins is NOT going to get them off.

In America, juries decide those things, not the plaintiffs. Let us know how it turns out.

105 posted on 07/19/2006 8:02:26 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: clamper1797
The law does NOT recognize domestic cats as 'predatory animals WHO KILL LIVESTOCK"

I went back and read what the excerpt that you posted. That's not what it says. It says "predatory animals or livestock-killing dogs" and does not say that the predatory animals have to prey on livestock. It says dogs have to be preying on livestock to be covered under the exception to be poisoned. All other predatory animals are fair game as long as the sign-posting requirement is met. Did they post any signs?

106 posted on 07/19/2006 8:08:25 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

No they did NOT post signs. This is NOT a ranch it is a house in the suburbs ... no livestock is allowed here. The houses back up to the San Jouquin river where there is a lot of wildlife ... ALL of it protected. Once again domestic cats are NOT recognized as predatory animals in the sense that the law refers too anymore than my neighbors teacup poodle is.


107 posted on 07/19/2006 8:18:29 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: FreedomCalls

and also you are missing the point. These people did NOT set out poison because they had a predator problem or even had a cat pooping in their yard problem. There are no backyards here. The decks overhang a PUBLIC river. Wildlife like ducks and geese live in the rushes and reeds under the decks and it is ILLEGAL to molest them. That includes the neighborhood pets. They poisoned the cats to get back at the neighbors as part of the years long feud we all have been having.


108 posted on 07/19/2006 8:25:56 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: clamper1797
The houses back up to the San Jouquin river where there is a lot of wildlife ... ALL of it protected.

Are the cats preying on protected wildlife? It sounds dangerous for the cats to be out roaming around in that area.

DOMESTIC CAT PREDATION ON BIRDS AND OTHER WILDLIFE

And: The Rights (and Wrongs) of Cats

According to [California] Fish and Game, stray cat populations threaten a litany of endangered species: California clapper rail, San Clemente Island loggerhead shrike, Pacific pocket mouse, riparian brush rabbit, salt marsh harvest mouse, Alameda whipsnake, and California least tern.

109 posted on 07/19/2006 8:30:25 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: clamper1797
Wildlife like ducks and geese live in the rushes and reeds under the decks and it is ILLEGAL to molest them.

The neighborhood cats are not prevented from preying on protected wildlife? That's not good.

110 posted on 07/19/2006 8:34:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
These are NOT stray cats and are not preying on the wildlife ... most of it is bigger than they are. our cat was poisoned and almost died ... he stays in most of the time and just happened to get out one night ... anyway I think you're arguing just to argue ...

Oh Oh the phone rang while I was typing this ... it was my neighbor ... the investigating officer called to inform us that the evil neighbors have been charged ... with TWO FELONIES. Justice may yet prevail

111 posted on 07/19/2006 8:48:11 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: clamper1797
Oh Oh the phone rang while I was typing this ... it was my neighbor ... the investigating officer called to inform us that the evil neighbors have been charged ... with TWO FELONIES.

I now suspect that you're making this up! From your own posting supposedly from the DA:

"596. Every person who, without the consent of the owner, willfully administers poison to any animal, the property of another, or exposes any poisonous substance, with the intent that the same shall be taken or swallowed by any such animal, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

112 posted on 07/19/2006 9:31:30 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: clamper1797
Oh, sorry. I didn't see post 102 as it wasn't addressed to me. Oh well, keep us informed.

Here's a similar case. Three counts charged; one plea bargain, two dismissed.

113 posted on 07/19/2006 9:36:39 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: clamper1797
More on the above case. It reads similar to your situation. Different state (Washington) -- different laws, though.
114 posted on 07/19/2006 9:41:34 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Contra Costa County Animal Services 925 335-8300 reference police report number A06-16062 ... care to call me a liar again ahole


115 posted on 07/19/2006 9:46:27 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: DariusBane
I heard Mayor Marty on the radio the other day claiming that his favorite founding father was Thomas Jefferson.

I sent him a rather scathing e-mail on that after I heard it also. He actually responded. I understand he likes playing with his Blackberry - it mentally adds 4 inches to his height.

You should try it.

The link is on the City of Albuquerque website.

116 posted on 07/19/2006 9:59:26 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: FreedomCalls

Re Post 113 ... OK


117 posted on 07/19/2006 10:00:24 PM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: spunkets
Just obey your masters and it's unlikely you'll be killed and/or have everything trashed. If you end up in one of the unlikely situations, know that you were abused, or killed for a good cause."""

I'd laugh if it weren't so tragically true.

118 posted on 07/19/2006 10:03:01 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: oneolcop
Sounds like the stuff of urban legends.

I live near Albuquerque, NM, which is prominently represented in this summary of these sorts of activities.

Plenty to read here, so don't lose patience.

Paramilitary Police Raids

119 posted on 07/19/2006 10:05:49 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Conservative Goddess

Thanks for the ping.


120 posted on 07/20/2006 12:12:42 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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