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Penniless (One-cent madness must end!)
National Review ^ | July 14, 2006 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 07/17/2006 8:01:27 AM PDT by presidio9

Giving money away for free is not behavior one expects from ordinary, rational Americans. But it’s something they do every day in massive numbers—that is if you consider the penny to be money.

At store counters around the country, people will leave pennies for the next customer, something they’d never do with a dime or quarter or any piece of currency they actually value. The poor, pathetic penny has become clutter in the nation’s pockets, the irritating detritus of cash transactions that inconveniently don’t end in a 5 or 0. Pennies sit in jars around the country, waiting in desuetude until their owners work up the energy to haul them to a bank or to a supermarket with a Coinstar kiosk where they can be exchanged for useful money.

Yes, we love Abraham Lincoln. We love our memories of buying candy with pennies when we were children. We love our traditional adages (“a penny for your thoughts,” etc.). But none of that should be enough anymore to inflict the penny on adults attempting to conduct cash transactions in an efficient way. Who will rid us of this nettlesome coin?

Perhaps Rep. Jim Kolbe (R., Ariz.), who will soon introduce legislation to move to a system that rounds cash transactions to the nearest 5 or 0. This would be a further step toward the penny’s obsolescence, or—as it should be thought of more accurately—toward stopping the madness.

The penny is no longer made from copper (too expensive), but merely has a copper coating over zinc, which is also now too expensive. It isn’t easy finding a substance worthless enough to make into pennies. It now costs 1.23 cents to make 1 cent. That means it will take 10.7 billion pennies

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To: Alouette

And it's a penny in the @ss to read too.


81 posted on 07/17/2006 8:50:24 AM PDT by Husker8877
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To: brytlea
Susie, are you following me? LOL
Speaking from my experience, I sold retail "tax included" and each month I reported my gross sales and a check to the state for a percentage of that revenue. As I set my prices I factored in the tax but I priced in whole numbers and my customers liked it. I had signs at each register explaining my methods.
82 posted on 07/17/2006 8:51:49 AM PDT by VRWCtaz (Conservatism is about promoting opportunity and Liberalism is about controlling outcome.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I speak with experience as well, and I found the 1€ and 2€ coins to work great with the larger notes. I can't imagine how it would become too heavy, unless you spend the day breaking paper notes and not spending any coins.

According to Google, a two-Pound coin weighs twelve grams. Twelve grams.

At some point, the word "laziness" will become operative here.

83 posted on 07/17/2006 8:53:03 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Petronski
According to Google, a two-Pound coin weighs twelve grams. Twelve grams.

What was it I said about theorizing?

"laziness"

Hmmm ... yes ... perhaps the wrong person has "Arrogant" in his screen-name?

84 posted on 07/17/2006 8:58:45 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: presidio9

As a math major and an accountant, I can't fathom counting without the ones! I'm always confusing the poor cashiers by paying them with pennies out of my wallet. If the register didn't calculate the change for them, they wouldn't have a clue what to do. Just call me old fashioned!


85 posted on 07/17/2006 9:00:15 AM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: Petronski
And all those dollar coins were hoarded because no one NEEDED them.

Visit the USPS stamp vending machine, insert a $10 bill for $7.40 in stamps and the change received is 2 dollar coins, 2 quarters and a dime.
Stroll over to a cashier to redeem the dollar coins for greenbacks.......and they don't want them or know what they are.

Actual (temporary) cost of stamps, $9.40.

People hoard them in jars till they remember to take them to a bank to exchange for paper.

It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!
86 posted on 07/17/2006 9:04:37 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: OrangeDaisy
I'm always confusing the poor cashiers by paying them with pennies out of my wallet.

And I'm the person stuck in line behind you. Stop doing that!

87 posted on 07/17/2006 9:04:38 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Loose lips sink ships - and the New York Times really doesn't have a problem with sinking ships.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
What was it I said about theorizing?

I have no idea. I'm not theorizing.

And laziness is a factor here, since you're obviously not spending the larger coins during the day, just accumulating them; and you're also complaining about carrying all those heavy coins. Poor baby.

88 posted on 07/17/2006 9:06:14 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: AmericanMade1776; itsamelman; jdb331; Poseidon; ChildOfThe60s
For instance if you have a sales tax of 6 cents on a dollar, they will round it up to 10 cents.

No, you are all a bit wrong. it is 6 PERCENT of your purchase.

Rounding (up and down) goes on all the time now.

89 posted on 07/17/2006 9:08:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Depends on how you round. .06 and/07 round down to .05. 08/09 round up to .10. At least that is the way it is done in the military exchanges and has for more than 20 years.


90 posted on 07/17/2006 9:12:13 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: presidio9

Getting rid of the penny is nothing but inflationary. Taxes, prices, etc., will all riseto the next highest coin currency level. Pennies do tend to be a pain in the pocket but, as long as they are around, they save us money.

If this were about ONE penny being spent on ONE purchase on ONE day out of the month, I could almost agree. But, we are talking about cumulative millions of transactions per day involving pennies. Round those purchases up and you have a LOT of money going to government or merchants that they wouldn't ordinarily receive.

This is just about creating an artificial tax hike on all of us by stupid people unable to figure out what is at stake.


91 posted on 07/17/2006 9:13:55 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Just another Joe
It would actually round up to $2.15.

Not according to post #23

(I'm still trying to figure all this out myself in between trying to get some actual work done...)
92 posted on 07/17/2006 9:15:22 AM PDT by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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To: Petronski
I have no idea.

Then you're not reading my posts to you. Strike One.

since you're obviously not spending the larger coins during the day,

You're still not reading my posts to you. I already addressed that. Strike Two.

Poor baby.

My real world experience differs from yours, so you see fit to insult me. Your arguments must, therefore, be devoid of merit elsewise they would stand on their own. Strike Three.

PLONK!

93 posted on 07/17/2006 9:18:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: itsamelman
Yeh, I know, but if you think the governemts will for this you really ARE dreaming.

When a municiple, or county, or state govt sets up sales taxes by the 1/4 cent or even 1/8 cent (and they do) do you really think their going to let a whole 2 cents on every dolllar go?

94 posted on 07/17/2006 9:26:06 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Elsie
No, you are all a bit wrong. it is 6 PERCENT of your purchase.

Ha! that's what I said.

Florida has counties with 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 % local sales add ons.

95 posted on 07/17/2006 9:32:48 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: brytlea

>>>Are you figuring that the times it comes out 1 or 2 cents I make money and that evens it out?

That's exactly what will happen. It won't cost you anything more.

>>>I feel certain that merchants will figure it out so that it is never or rarely 1 or 2 cents, but then, perhaps I'm cynical.

I too am cynical, but I don't really see how a supermarket will be able to make a basket of 22 different items add up to a number that ends in 3,4,8 or 9 just to get an extra penny or two out of you.


96 posted on 07/17/2006 9:34:18 AM PDT by jdb331 (Liverhead)
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To: VRWCtaz

I'm not following you. You're following me. Right in front of me too. That's scarey.... ;)
susie


97 posted on 07/17/2006 9:34:45 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: JohnnyGunns

As a retailer it would not be too difficult to program the register to always round up to the nearest nickle on the total. Say your total after tax @.06 was 3.18. The register would round to 3.20. The retailer would realize a .02 profit. In my case .02 * 2000 cust. per day = 40 or around 14K per year. Of course some legislator would learn of this windfall profit and tax my Arse and I would end up worse off.

Keep the penny...stop putting the date on them so that they are all the same to cut down on hoarding.


98 posted on 07/17/2006 9:35:13 AM PDT by hawgwalker
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To: jdb331

Oh, they will have "Them" do it for them! Now....where is my tin hat??
susie


99 posted on 07/17/2006 9:40:10 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

What can I say? It's a skill.


100 posted on 07/17/2006 9:42:07 AM PDT by VRWCtaz (Conservatism is about promoting opportunity and Liberalism is about controlling outcome.)
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