Posted on 07/17/2006 6:58:19 AM PDT by oldtimer2
Religious war July 17th, 2006
[Editor’s note: The question of religious war haunts the world today. Some, but not all, Muslims believe a religious war is long underway and will continue until the entire world submits to Allah. Last week, J.R. Dunn began a series of articles advocating avoidance of religious war rhetoric. Today, Michael Geer makes the contrary case. The American Thinker will gladly host a debate on the subject in coming days and weeks.]
Given events in the Middle East and the near certainty of escalation, it’s time to name our enemy, because Israel is our canary in the mine of world events. And the canary is singing.
Ever since Thomas Jefferson’s replied to the Danbury Baptists with the phrase wall of separation between church and state and James Madison penned “Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.” and Ulysses S Grant called for Americans to “Keep the church and state forever separate” the policy of America has been to rest upon a foundation of respect for authentic religion and to shun the disaster of making religion our government.
The Left in our nation, who make government their religion, have formed ranks around separation of church and state as a bedrock. A Google search of Separation Of Church And State yields 21,500,000 results. The larger percentage of those results are hardened secular positions, like Wall Builders, Suburban Guerillas and Americans United For Separation of Church and State. Many of these are not just Constitutional argument websites, but more secular and obdurate anti-Christian web sites. Fine. We’re a big nation.
How does this relate to the current crisis between Israel and her enemies?
The conflagration breaking out around the world like a fever coming to the fore, is religious. It’s not oil, it’s not haves and have-nots, it’s not Marxism versus Capitalism, it’s not Globalists versus independent free thinkers.
It’s religion.
It is a war to the death between those who stand for Religion as State, and those who will not live under their rule of religion as state policy.
Oil is not that name. Oil is just a bargaining chip. Globalism is not that name. Globalism is only a sidebar. The virulent remnants of Marxism play a significant role in money and state-sponsored support, but Marxism is not the name. Our enemy, the enemy of civilization, and I dare say the enemy of Mankind itself is a religion which will kill, maim and terrorize any who will not accept religion as the State.
Islam is the name.
Islam was founded as a religion that is the state, where the state is the religion. The ultimate theocracy. There is no separation, no wall, no division. It is a seamless whole and any behavior is allowed to maintain that power. No crime is too gruesome, no argument too convoluted, no terror too shocking, and no theology too cancerous to be off limits in conquering the world for their god.
They mean to have government be religion, and for religion to be government. Jihad is the mechanism by which all of mankind will be brought into to ummah, the world community of Islam. And only then will we know peace.
I stand in shocked anger that those in America who work so hard for the separation of church and state are not horrified at the Islamist threat. Those who passionately insist on the separation of church and state ought to be on the front lines every day denouncing Islam and their global terror campaigns. making noise, agitating, pressing for Islam to be eradicated. But they aren’t denouncing Islam. Quite the opposite. They advocate eradicating George W Bush and the United States.
This is madness beyond my ken.
The very people inside our borders who work the hardest to see to it that America and Israel are ruined and kicked into the dust bin of history are the same people who take every opportunity to remind us about the separation of church and state. Are they not paying attention? Are they blind and deaf? Are they made dumb by their hate?
I am truly flabbergasted that these separation people seem to have no concept that if Israel is cast down and if America is driven to her knees, they’re going to get a church that is the State in such totality as to defy description. And it won’t do for America to simply refrain from international affairs as if a disinterested observer. This is the kind of annihilating threat that must be stopped before it grows any larger. Acceptance and diversity are fine-sounding phrases, but not when we’re discussing the end of civilized man.
A word of warning to our citizens who live on the Left side of the aisle, the anti-war crowd, the anti-globalist crowd, the anti-America crowd …. you say you are as separation of church and state as can be …. but what you’re going to reap is the soul crushing whirlwind of church as state and state as church if you don’t get a grip and wise up. You’re rooting for the worst kind of theocracy the world has ever seen, the kind that treats women as less than objects, that kills dissenters, whose distaste for homosexuals is literally beyond polite discussion, and whose Friday afternoon schedule is not cocktails but beheadings of those who take drugs, have sex out of wedlock, have a taste for pornography or show too much skin in public. Among the many crimes you now take for granted as your liberties.
Islam is the zenith of religion as government, and government that is religion. Our friend Israel is on the front line of the war to determine the future of mankind. Religion as state, or secular freedom that guarantees religious freedom.
Do you really want to bring to pass a murderous medieval theocracy? Is that the future you think you’ll enjoy? Is that the outcome you’re working for? Because if you keep tearing at our foundations and empowering this nation’s enemies, if you keep heaping scorn and invective on our President, if you insist that America is evil and must be radically assimilated into a metastasizing United Nations global plan, that’s exactly what you’re going to get and there will be no wall of separation. You will have torn it down.
Michael Geer
It’s not oil, it’s not haves and have-nots, it’s not Marxism versus Capitalism, it’s not Globalists versus independent free thinkers.
Well, this reiterates the obvious. Else all Hitler would have had to do is declared Nazism a religion and we would have been helpless to stop him. Hence the importance of the emphasized word, "authentic". Anything can be called a religion.
The human value (and Constitutional legitimacy) of any religion is the human expression of it; the balance of good and evil that results. Using this yardstick, Islam is pure evil. Approaching the resulting death and mayhem that is Islam, evil must die. And every non-muslim human life clearly depends on it.
"Winning their hearts and minds" is senseless in that context, when other human lives lost daily is the price paid for "doing the right (?) thing.
"Some, but not all, Muslims believe a religious war is long underway and will continue until the entire world submits to Allah."
In this respect, there is no difference between Islam and socialism, except the particular terminology. Socialists believe in the historic inevitability of the triumph of the proletariat class (ie the communist party) as a result of class struggle, therefore anything they do to serve that end is morally justified. It is a religeon expressed a political worldly medium.
Same stupid soap opera, different actors.
Actually, Hitler did base much of what he did on Nordic mythology and the then current obsession with spiritualism.
If you can, pick up the videos titled The Occult History of the Third Reich. I rented them from Netflix a couple of years back. They were very enlightening, to say the least.
The author misses the real motivation of the 'separation of church and state' fanatics: it is only the Church, those who preach the Gospel of Chris,t that is to be kept separate from the state, all other religions are fine.
The 'wall of separation' mantra is chanted not by those who fear religion per se, not by those who want to guard freedom of conscience from state pressure, but by those who hate the Gospel and want to see to it that it is pushed out, not only of influence on the state, but of public view.
There is not hypocrisy in uniting with others who hate the Gospel to accomplish this, so the secularist left's accomodation with radical Islam is not surprising, even if it is short-sighted given the left's other commitments.
The secular left preferes the choice be narrowed, with the defeat of the Gospel, to between state as enforcer of new-age religious pieties ('tolerance', 'inclusiveness', 'saving the earth', organic farming, . . .) and state as enforcer of medieval Arabian barbarian pieties, thinking mankind will chose their version of the omnicompetent state as god.
Fortunately, it is a hopeless errand, since the gates of hell will not prevail against Christ's Church. Unfortunately, they can do a lot of damage in the attempt.
oops..."whole world" is what I meant.
The left is the party which in the 20th century brought us the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, and today persists in "Dear Leader" Kim in North Korea. The left, the party of abortion and euthanasia, will not blink at annihilating a third of mankind if need be to achieve their aims. It is only the moral man who shrinks from such thoughts.
As has been observed before, ironically it is George W. Bush who may well be Islam's last hope of survival in the 21st century.
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse.”
Johm Stuart Mill
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