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Men Who Fought Franco FĂȘted As Spain Finally Confronts Its Past (And doomed to repeat it.)
The Times (London) ^ | 7/15/2006 | Alan Hamilton

Posted on 07/17/2006 6:29:12 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh

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Communism is alive and well in Spain, thanks in large part to the last election.
1 posted on 07/17/2006 6:29:17 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

As Tom Lehrer once sung:

"They might have won all the battles, but we had all the good songs."


2 posted on 07/17/2006 6:34:14 AM PDT by rogator
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh
The Communists vs the fascists.It's a battle you'd wish that *both* sides would lose.
3 posted on 07/17/2006 6:35:38 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

The Communists butchered priests and religious in Spain, along with anyone who supported them. They tried to kill the centuries-old culture, and now they're doing their best to kill the last vestiges of it now.


4 posted on 07/17/2006 6:38:05 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Deal was the "government" put out a hit on Franco, which he found out about, and turned it around on them.

It's much more like "mob" than "commie/nazi" stuff.

5 posted on 07/17/2006 6:39:17 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

"500 bodies have so far been exhumed from 67 mass graves"

Makes one wonder how many would have come from those graves had the Communists prevailed in 1939. This was just just forms of total statism wrestling for the prize, with the people the losers.


6 posted on 07/17/2006 6:43:32 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

Hasn't there been a recent discovery of documents in Russian archives outlining how the "progressive" side of the Civil War was backed and instigated by the USSR?


7 posted on 07/17/2006 6:44:11 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

Franco may be dead, but the Spanish are still being Franked..........


8 posted on 07/17/2006 6:44:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh
Had the communists won, I doubt if the transition from dictatorship to democracy would have been as easy.
Franco had the foresight to set up the transition. King Juan Carlos stopped the right wing coup in its tracks.

Also, when you join the US military, you have to swear that you are not a member of a subversive organization. The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was listed as one of those organizations.
9 posted on 07/17/2006 6:46:08 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

The only thing wrong about Franco is he didn't do a thorough enough job. There are too many Commies who escaped in Spain.


10 posted on 07/17/2006 6:51:33 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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"Some historians believe that the Spanish Civil War is too often seen through the romantic prism of Hemingway and his like...The most distinguished chronicler of international solidarity with Spain was Orwell."

The 'duly elected republican government' was vicious, brutal, and bent on eliminating any form of opposition - religious or political.
Their one great assets were the socialist majority among western authors, reporters and educators, and the still socialist control over western unions.
The false myths created by such as Orwell and Hemingway will NEVER go away.

11 posted on 07/17/2006 6:55:04 AM PDT by norton
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

The Spanish Civil War was the origin of the term "Fifth Column." Seems appropriate these days, when that institution is the sole vestige of that discredited ideology.


12 posted on 07/17/2006 6:57:16 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Pyro7480

Franco also imported Moroccan troops to commit atrocities.

The only good guys in the Spanish Civil War were a portion of the Republicans at the outset of the war who indeed wanted a middle-of-the-road democracy. Unfortunately they were soon shoved aside by the Communists and Anarcho-Syndicalists and assorted other nutcases among the Republicans who took over.


13 posted on 07/17/2006 7:03:39 AM PDT by Strategerist
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The only good guys in the Spanish Civil War were a portion of the Republicans at the outset of the war who indeed wanted a middle-of-the-road democracy.

I admire the Carlists as well.

14 posted on 07/17/2006 7:04:36 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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"The only thing wrong about Franco is he didn't do a thorough enough job. There are too many Commies who escaped in Spain."

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I don't know. I think el-Caudillo killed quite a few of them. Obviously, I wish he would have wiped out the stalinist abraham lincoln brigade. They were a bunch of totalitarian loving, criminals.

15 posted on 07/17/2006 7:05:47 AM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

Spain needs Franco now, before it's too late to save the country. Open immigration and liberalism is the death knell of Western countries.


16 posted on 07/17/2006 7:07:06 AM PDT by reelfoot
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Hitler sent the Condor Legion which terror bombed Spanish cities and Mussolini sent an entire army. Why was it wrong to fight them? Sure, Russia sent aid but if the West had intervened, it could have influenced the government to be less Leftist and remember the government had been duly elected.


17 posted on 07/17/2006 7:24:39 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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"Sure, Russia sent aid"

In point of fact, Russia did more than just send aid. If you get a chance, read Ronald Rasdosh's "Spain Betrayed, The Soviet Union in the Spanish Civil War." Here is a synopsis:


The Spanish Civil War has long been the stuff of legend. Thousands of brave young men from all over the Western world, most of them organized by their local Communist parties, rushed to Spain to support the democratic Republic against right-wing forces led by rebellious generals in the Spanish officer corps. Although the Republic was eventually defeated, some observers believed that the effort to defend it was a selfless undertaking of the international Communist movement and the Soviet Union -- a noble crusade against Hitler, Mussolini, and their Spanish puppet Franco.

This book presents a very different view of the role of the Soviet Union in this war. Based on previously unavailable Moscow archives, it provides the first full documentation of that country's duplicitous and self-serving activities. Documents in the book reveal that the Soviet Union not only swindled the Spanish Republic out of millions of dollars through arms deals but also sought to take over and run the Spanish economy, government, and armed forces in order to make Spain a Soviet possession, thereby effectively destroying the foundations of authentic Spanish antifascism. The documents also shed light on many other disputed episodes of the war: the timing of the Republican request for assistance from the Soviet Union; the rise and fall of the International Brigades; the internal workings of the Comintern and its influence on Spain; and much more.

Authoritative and startling in the new information it offers, the book is essential reading for anyone interested in Soviet foreign policy or the Spanish Civil War.




18 posted on 07/17/2006 7:43:09 AM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: Mr.Smorch

Veterans of the commie "Abraham Lincoln Brigade" were recently featured on American TV as heroes!!!

They were a bunch of Stalinist scum, but then the U.S. government in WW2 was riddled with Stalinists or Stalinophiles from FDR on down.


19 posted on 07/17/2006 8:16:41 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: reelfoot

Franco laid out the welcome mat for "Odessa".

All manner of Nazi war criminals eluded justice thanks
to Franco.


20 posted on 07/17/2006 8:27:58 AM PDT by rahbert
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