Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 16 July 2006

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[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, July 16th, 2006

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Sens. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and George Allen, R-Va.; Philippe Cousteau, president of Earth Echo International.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich; columnist Robert Novak.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Rice; Richard Haass, Council on Foreign Relations president; Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Rice; Madeleine Albright, former secretary of state; Kerri Strug, Olympic gold medalist in gymnastics.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : White House counselor Dan Bartlett; Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres; Imad Moustapha, Syrian ambassador to the U.S.; Sens. Trent Lott, R-Miss., and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Mouwafak al-Rubaie, Iraqi national security adviser; Pakistani Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri; space shuttle astronauts.

[MNJohnnie]

Here is the problem. All the chest pounding and bellicose bellows forgets THIS vital fact.

The vast bulk of the people currently fighting and dying for our side in the War on Terror are Muslim Iraqis, Pakistanis and Afghanistan.

Some of the Freeper Arm Chair Generals would turn those allies into enemies based on their fundamental ignorance of the world. They have the typical fan mentality. It us against them and we have got to destroy them to win.

Fortunately the people on the Bush team are a lot smarter then that. They understand that we can start killing large number of their people at any time. However it is always a lot easier to start killing then it is to stop it.

Counter Insurgency is NOT Total War. All the Macho Man yelping, by people like Mike Savage, displays a fundamental ignorance of the nature of the conflict and the proper way to win it.

Kill them all and let God sort it out is what the Russians in Afghanistan and the Nazis in Eastern Europe tired. IT DOES NOT work. Counter Insurgency (or more properly Counter Terrorism)is a different form of war. You must build a counter valuing political frame work within the society at the same time you defeat the terrorist (or insurgent) threat. Simply trying to impose a convectional military solution onto an asymmetrical warfare threat has FAILED ever single time it has been tried. Every time. It simply exhausted the political will and military resources of the power that attempts it. THEY live there. They got no where else to go. Make enemies of them all and evetually the occupying power gets sick of trying to occupy them and goes home.

[gov_bean_ counter]

Maybe there is a reason the word analysis starts with anal.

[greyfoxx39]

Thank you ;)

[Alas Babylon!]

Mangetout is snow peas or snap peas -- the kind you eat like a green bean. I grow them in the winter here in Alabama and they're really good and you don't have to shell them which makes them a breeze to prepare.

Snugs, here in Alabama we have black eyed or purple hulled peas which we call simply peas. They are what most folks would call beans. Green peas we call "English" peas. Potatoes are the sweet orange-fleshed variety so we call white potatoes "Irish" potatoes. I don't think we have any Welsh or Scotish vegetables yet!

I pefer my Southern English names for vegetables than the French names you English pefer. Mangetout! For a second I thought you said mangey trout!

[Phsstpok]

I agree with your assessment that NK giving nukes to someone else (or creating "someone else" out of the whole cloth to hide behind) is more likely than a direct attack on an American city, but what about a "test" detonation above the atmosphere? They are not a signatory to the treaties banning the testing of nukes nor specifically their detonation in outer space. Since we and the Soviets did such tests, how can we complain if they do the same?

The fact that doing such a thing now would result in an EMP that would wipe out the electronics and most of the electrical grids within direct line of sight isn't their fault, is it? Could they weasle out of that one? More importantly, could they THINK that they could weasle out of that one?

If we didn't respond immediately to such an event can you imagine the United Nations debate?  What about the damage to our society (or Japan or any other technologically advanced nation)? 

[Jake The Goose]

Wow - Ok Phsstpok - I declare myself a fan of yours.

[kabar]

...but what about a "test" detonation above the atmosphere? The fact that doing such a thing now would result in an EMP that would wipe out the electronics and most of the electrical grids within direct line of sight isn't their fault, is it? Could they weasle out of that one? More importantly, could they THINK that they could weasle out of that one?

Now you are reaching. Any EMP effect would not be confined to the US. NK would pay a huge price including military retaliation. If they announced beforehand that it was a test, then they would be issued an ultimatum that should it go forward, they will be wiped out. If they don't announce it, then any such explosion would be considered an attack and a response would be soon in coming. Retaliation won't be left for the UN to decide.

[PerConPat]

Whenever I run into an appeaser, substitute most DIMs here if you wish, of the Islamofascist vermin currently threatening the planet, I ask them if they have read The Gathering Storm. If they respond in the negative, I recommend that they do so at once. If they respond in the affirmative, I suggest they seek competent psychiatric care without delay.

[Phsstpok]

Mark Kilmer has posted his review of the Sunday shows on RedState.COM.  Here is the opening with link:

The Sunday Show Review

By: Mark Kilmer · Section: Other Politics

Sunday, July 16, 2006

  This week on NBC's Meet the Press, Newt Gingrich ('08) said that we were in the opening stages of World War III and that United States policy today, which Joe Biden ('08) said repeatedly did not exist, was to promise dictators that as much trouble as they want to cause, all they'll get from us in return is talk.

On FOX News Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said of the situation with Israel and the terrorists that we must solve the "root causes" of the problem, not simply declare a cease fire and wait for the problem to occur again. On ABC's This Week, George Stephanopoulos confronted her with something the Veep said a few years ago about how regime change in Iraq would stifle the jihadists and promote the moderates. She told him that anyone who doesn't realize that this takes time is "very shortsighted."

Also on TW, Maddy Albright, in complaining that President Bush hadn't telephoned Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, declared that President Clinton "made a lot of phone calls." (Not all of which, we assume, were to that woman, Miss Lewinsky.)

On FNS, Chris Dodd ('08) pronounced we needed to build relationships with other countries. President Bush did not do this, he said, then he said that the President was late in doing this. George Allen ('08) said that by staying in Iraq, we are sending the signal to other countries that we don't back down, not that our hands were tied.

On FTN, Secretary Rice said that Syria was not making an effort to hide its support for Hezbollah. Dick Haas of the CFR, who at one point favored our reasons for going into Iraq, this morning called it "an unfortunate war of choice." He said that the President should start an "unconditional, broad dialogue with Iran," something which would prove Gingrich's earlier conjecture to be completely correct.

On LE, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov declared that Hezollah should be part of the political process and that there armed wing should become part of the security force in Lebanon. He added that there is o proof that Syria and Iran are involved in the latest attacks on Israel.

Read on for the rest of the madness the show-by-show review…

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Jul 16th, 2006: 12:35:40

 

[Amelia]

Yes, probably so.

[eeevil conservative]

you inspired me

I will shamelessly promote myself...LOL!

I have started a blog on Townhall too...

http://eeevilconservative.townhall.com/Default.aspx

[PerConPat]

Don't you just love how the left is ignoring the Intifada unleashed by Arafat...

Yes, I do. Each time one of their leading fools puts his/her dazzling ignorance of human nature on display by criticizing Israel for defending its hard won turf, the Left reinforces the widely held belief that they have no clue as to how to defend our nation.

Thankfully, this fatal flaw will continue to be their undoing.

[Phsstpok]

And what evidence leads you to believe that North Korea will honor or even recognize your compelling and rational argument against such a plan?

They have kidnapped citizens of foreign powers and kept them as slaves for decades.  They admit it and they are still holding these people.  They have committed more acts of terror than any other regime in modern history, including blowing up airplanes with diplomats of "friendly powers," such as China, on board. They have starved over a million of their own people.  They are currently holding us up because we stopped them from distributing billions of dollars in counterfeit $100 bills that they had produced.  And they demand the money back from that criminal endeavor as their price for returning to negotiations over their nuclear program.

They are not rational. That's the part that so many who have argued with me today reject and really the only point on which we disagree.  If you can't accept that possibility then, in my opinion, you haven't got a broad enough view of the world to imagine what might happen and therefore, in my view, you can't analyze the situation effectively.  Stuff happens beyond what we consider to be reasonable and acceptable.  We have to be able to think beyond what we consider reasonable and acceptable.

Will they do it?  I have no idea.  Might they do it?  Absolutely.  You (and others here) reject that possibility out of hand and I think that is a serious mistake.  You have the odds on your side.  But then, the odds were against the Anschluss or Pearl Harbor and certainly against 9/11 being carried out.  In the case of Pearl Harbor the leading military minds of the time, including those in Japan, said it was insane.  The Anschluss was the result of 30 years of humiliation and despair, coupled with a madman's twisted dream.  In the case of 9/11 you had a bunch of religious fanatics who had their own reality and welcomed the consequences.  What makes you think that the Iranian or North Korean or Venezuelan leaders are any more connected with reality than the NAZIs, Al Qaeda or the Imperial Japanese?

Not only is the universe stranger than you imagine, it is stranger than you can imagine.

--J. B. S. Haldane

[Phsstpok]

Awright!!!!

And awesome first post!

Don't forget to link back to imporant FR threads, like this one.

Your son will need a roadmap when you get him signed up.

[Txsleuth]

Congrats, EC...I will bookmark your blog...like I did Phsstpoks.

[Txsleuth]

How are you going to find time to blog, young lady??

We have hardly even seen you on FR lately.

[Phsstpok]

ummmm, that should be important, not imporant.

Sorry about that....... ;^>

[shalom aleichem]

Do you recall a day when the MSM was on Israel's side? I seem to, but maybe that was in a different dimension or reincarnation (or maybe someone did a major sales job or Israel laid off its marketing and PR department).

[eeevil conservative]

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