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1 posted on 07/15/2006 7:49:23 PM PDT by Dqban22
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great read.

just don't know if Islam is capable of stopping terrorism. it's been woefully mute so far.

2 posted on 07/15/2006 7:53:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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I agree, this is a good, thoughtful pope, not given to mushiness and feel-good thought. But here's the question: If everyone (Israel-Lebanon-Palestine-Iran etc.) agreed about Jesus tomorrow, would the fighting end?


4 posted on 07/15/2006 7:57:04 PM PDT by publius1 (Just to be clear: my position is no.)
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Gosh, does one have to read all of that thread/article in order to be able to comment on it?

I have been pretty much in agreement with the Vatican on a lot of political stuff for most of my grown up adult life.

I seriously depart on the Israel stuff.

I also depart when the German priest now Pope asks the stupidest question ever presented in my lifetime.

"Why did God allow the Holocaust to happen?"

This fellow ought to ask his relatives, friends, school associates, and neighbors that question. Not to mention his henchmen in the Vatican.

What a joke.


5 posted on 07/15/2006 7:58:41 PM PDT by Radix (This vacation is almost over.)
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Excellent article about an excellent and very wise Pope!


6 posted on 07/15/2006 8:00:22 PM PDT by livius
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Ping.

5.56mm

7 posted on 07/15/2006 8:03:15 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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For Pope Ratzinger.......

Ooops! Asia News should have said Pope Benedict XVI.

9 posted on 07/15/2006 8:12:34 PM PDT by FJ290
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The pope condemned Israel today istead of condemning radical islam who started this entire confligration in the first place. He is wrong. All I see is "Sweet-talking" to islam to protect the vatican from a terrorist attack.


10 posted on 07/15/2006 8:59:45 PM PDT by conservativecrowfest
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Thanks. Great article - about both Benedict and Islam.


12 posted on 07/15/2006 9:15:46 PM PDT by AncientAirs
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Wishfull thinking at best.


24 posted on 07/15/2006 9:56:25 PM PDT by docman57 (Retired but still on Duty)
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And here we find a crucial sentence: “This message is conveyed to us unmistakably by the quiet but clear voice of conscience.” “Only through recognition of the centrality of the person,” the Pope goes on to say, “can a common basis for understanding be found, one which enables us to move beyond cultural conflicts and which neutralizes the disruptive power of ideologies.”

Sorry, but conscience and centrality of the person are 180 degrees opposite of Islam.

Islam is based not on conscience but submission, submission not only to the words of the Qur'an and the example of Muhammad, but also to your neighbors who are individually responsible for enforcing your conformance to orthodoxy or to "kill you where they find you." [4:89] etc.

Also, the person is not only not central to Islam, but completely irrelevant, being a mere slave of God ("abdullah"). It is the "Ummah" or the whole community of Muslim believers that is central to the Islamic ideology. And Islam without ideology is nothing since almost all of its teachings would have to be discarded.

Sorry, but Benedict XVI is still extremely naive about Islam.
38 posted on 07/15/2006 11:13:20 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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"contemporary Islam is being debated and its struggle to find a place in modern society."

There is no such place in modern society. Its place is Hell.


43 posted on 07/16/2006 4:42:52 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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47 posted on 07/16/2006 5:11:13 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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"To avoid a clash of civilizations, Islam should distance itself from terrorist violence; the west from secularist and atheistic violence."

If he understands human nature, he must realize that this is impossible.

48 posted on 07/16/2006 5:17:39 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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Islam, unlike most religions, is an evil cult born in violence, spred through violence and maintained through violence.

There is no coexistence with a cult which seeks to dominate the world through violnece.


53 posted on 07/16/2006 6:00:35 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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Very, very, very interesting. Thanks for posting. Thanks to all contributors to this thread.


54 posted on 07/16/2006 6:40:39 AM PDT by PGalt
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save

I have great respect for Pope Benedict.


62 posted on 07/16/2006 11:31:15 AM PDT by krunkygirl
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