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H.H. POPE BENEDICT XVI AND ISLAM
ASIA NEWS ^ | April 26, 2006 | Samir Khali Samir, SJ

Posted on 07/15/2006 7:49:19 PM PDT by Dqban22

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1 posted on 07/15/2006 7:49:23 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
great read.

just don't know if Islam is capable of stopping terrorism. it's been woefully mute so far.

2 posted on 07/15/2006 7:53:14 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
just don't know if Islam is capable of stopping terrorism.

islam is terrorism.

L

3 posted on 07/15/2006 7:56:06 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: Dqban22

I agree, this is a good, thoughtful pope, not given to mushiness and feel-good thought. But here's the question: If everyone (Israel-Lebanon-Palestine-Iran etc.) agreed about Jesus tomorrow, would the fighting end?


4 posted on 07/15/2006 7:57:04 PM PDT by publius1 (Just to be clear: my position is no.)
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To: Dqban22

Gosh, does one have to read all of that thread/article in order to be able to comment on it?

I have been pretty much in agreement with the Vatican on a lot of political stuff for most of my grown up adult life.

I seriously depart on the Israel stuff.

I also depart when the German priest now Pope asks the stupidest question ever presented in my lifetime.

"Why did God allow the Holocaust to happen?"

This fellow ought to ask his relatives, friends, school associates, and neighbors that question. Not to mention his henchmen in the Vatican.

What a joke.


5 posted on 07/15/2006 7:58:41 PM PDT by Radix (This vacation is almost over.)
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To: Dqban22

Excellent article about an excellent and very wise Pope!


6 posted on 07/15/2006 8:00:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
Ping.

5.56mm

7 posted on 07/15/2006 8:03:15 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Radix

What a joke... If you do not read you will never be able to know, much less to understand, the position of the Pope or the Catholic Church in such important matters.

The Founders of the State of Israel expressed their condolences at the death of Pius XII

Among those who mourned the death of Pius XII pronouncing heartfelt tributes were the President of Israel Ben-Zevi, Dr. Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress and the World Zionist Organization, and many Rabbis including Dr. Israel Goldstein of New York. Rabbi Elio Toaff, Chief Rabbi of Rome, said: “More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to appreciate the great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity, that the Pope displayed during the terrible years of persecution and terror, when it seemed that there was no hope left for us.” Rabbi Israel Zolli stated: “What the Vatican did will indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts…Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism.” (29)

The Israeli’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mrs.Golda Meir’s cablegram to the Vatican read; “We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of His Holiness Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords, he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.” (30)

Unfortunately, today we are witnessing a campaign against this great benefactor of Humanity. His memory is being slandered and dishonored through falsehoods and innuendoes. This matter should be open to honest analysis and discussion. Legitimate discrepancies might exist while studying historical facts, but that should not be of excuse for those people who are moved by the same great evils of ignorance, hatred, and bigotry that made possible the brutal onslaught of innocent people by the Nazis and the Communists.


8 posted on 07/15/2006 8:09:43 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
For Pope Ratzinger.......

Ooops! Asia News should have said Pope Benedict XVI.

9 posted on 07/15/2006 8:12:34 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: Dqban22

The pope condemned Israel today istead of condemning radical islam who started this entire confligration in the first place. He is wrong. All I see is "Sweet-talking" to islam to protect the vatican from a terrorist attack.


10 posted on 07/15/2006 8:59:45 PM PDT by conservativecrowfest
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I also depart when the German priest now Pope asks the stupidest question ever presented in my lifetime.

"Why did God allow the Holocaust to happen?"

The question has been on the lips of millions and millions of people for over 65 years. Sure, the Nazis were responsible, but how did this happen and God stood silent?

Your slam on the Pope for his nationality is cheap, and I think you know it.

11 posted on 07/15/2006 9:04:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Dqban22

Thanks. Great article - about both Benedict and Islam.


12 posted on 07/15/2006 9:15:46 PM PDT by AncientAirs
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To: sinkspur

Cheap shot?

I think that you are probably right.

On the other hand......

Millions of people are dead with that fellow's compliance, and non rebuke by the way.

Take it to the Vatican.


13 posted on 07/15/2006 9:17:10 PM PDT by Radix (Eretz Israel!)
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To: Radix
Millions of people are dead with that fellow's compliance, and non rebuke by the way.

Stop digging. Your statements are now so stupid that you ought to be embarrassed.

14 posted on 07/15/2006 9:21:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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I got no real beef with the Church of Rome.

Well, maybe a little.....

I do read a bit, but, I simply don't know where to find all the good that was done by the Church while the Nazis were in office.

Millions of people died because of their behavior while the vatican slept on their watch...Millions....dead millions...

Got it yet?

Millions dead...

Try counting a million sheep while you attempt to sleep tonight.



15 posted on 07/15/2006 9:25:18 PM PDT by Radix (Eretz Israel!)
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To: sinkspur
"Your statements are now so stupid that you ought to be embarrassed."

Really?

I should be the one embarrassed here?

16 posted on 07/15/2006 9:27:03 PM PDT by Radix (Eretz Israel!)
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More than a million Jews saved their lives during the Holocaust thanks to the Catholic Church and His Holiness Pope Pius XII.

The relationship of trust and collaboration during WW II between the Holy See, the Jewish organizations, the Allies’ intelligence services and their governments, including the anti-Nazi German Generals, is well proven and documented. However, there is not the slightest thread of evidence to substantiate the preposterous and vicious allegations raised against Pius XII and the Catholic Church of collaboration or sympathizing with the Nazis.

Did the Church do enough to save the Jews? As usual those who do the less complain the most and those who do the most always think they could have done even more. When Michael O’Carroll, author of the scholar book “Pius XII: Greatness Dishonoured” related in the Foreword that in 1957 he met Dr. Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Israel, and he told him with emotion of an audience he had with the Pope and how they discussed the prophet Ezechiel. “My blessing to him” said the saintly old man, and O’Carroll promised to be the bearer of the message of his goodwill. When O’Carroll gave the message to Pius XII he added “I think Jews everywhere are grateful for what you did for them during the war.” “I wish I could have done more” was the Pope’s reply.

On February 28, 1945, the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent a letter of gratitude to the
Apostolic Nuncio in Rumania, Msgr. Andrea Cassulo, stating that: “The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living prove of divine Providence in this world.” (31)

Rabbi Herzog’s heartfelt words should suffice to forever end the slanderous attacks to the memory of the great protector of the Jews, Pius XII and the Catholic Church.


17 posted on 07/15/2006 9:27:32 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Radix
I do read a bit, but, I simply don't know where to find all the good that was done by the Church while the Nazis were in office.

Millions of people died because of their behavior while the vatican slept on their watch...Millions....dead millions...

Pius XII was personally responsible for sheltering or moving out of harm's way over 500,000 Jews in WWII.

The Dutch bishops condemned the Nazi actions in 1942, and thousands of Dutch Jews, in addition to Catholics and other Christians in Holland, were herded into concentration camps.

The chief rabbi of Rome was so impressed with the efforts of the Church during WWII to save Jews that he converted to Catholicism at the conclusion of the war.

Your ridiculous revisionism will appeal to the bigots and the Jack Chick crowd, but few others.

18 posted on 07/15/2006 9:31:43 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Dqban22
I read this same stuff some time ago.

My personal impression of the character and behavior of the Vatican during the years up to and including the great war #2 is that it was disgraceful.

I'll read it again though.....

I am not an unreasonable fellow, but I am quite jaded.

Regards!
19 posted on 07/15/2006 9:34:51 PM PDT by Radix (Eretz Israel!)
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