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To: JasonC

The tin cans of that era are a far cry from their modern descendants. They had actual armor, where a modern DD generally doesn't.

Also, most of the weight of a shell is the shell, not the warhead/payload. The Silkworm actually carries more explosive than a 14" shell.


180 posted on 07/15/2006 9:13:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
The Fletchers, Gearings, and Allen M. Sumner classes did not have armour - speed and manoeuverability were their armour.
182 posted on 07/15/2006 9:42:56 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Spktyr
Also, most of the weight of a shell is the shell, not the warhead/payload. The Silkworm actually carries more explosive than a 14" shell.

It wasn't a Silkworm, but I still think that you're right. The missile was carring 363 lbs of explosive. I had to look it up:

(NAVAL ORDNANCE 1937 CHAPTER XIII PROJECTILES)

"Where the projectile must meet heavy face-hardened armor, the result is a massive piece of steel with a heavy head, thick walls and a small cavity, called an armor piercing projectile. In such projectiles the weight of the bursting charge (high explosive) varies between 2.1 per cent to 2.6 per cent of the total weight of the projectile. If the size of the charge is increased the Projectile is unequal to matching even caliber plate at battle ranges and angles of fall, while if the size of the charge is reduced the fragmentation of the projectile on burst is not efficient. (Plate I, Fig. 3.)

Where the projectile may encounter armor of a thickness of only to 1/2 caliber, or a combination of light side plating, bulkheads, and decks, the cavity can be somewhat enlarged, and the design is called a common projectile. In such projectiles the charge represents, for major and intermediate calibers, about 6.0 per cent of the total weight, and for sizes below 6 inches the percentage falls to about 3.0 per cent to 3.5 per cent. (Plate I, Fig. 4.)"

190 posted on 07/15/2006 11:12:03 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Spktyr
No, they really didn't have actual armor. Cruisers did, not DDs. The Fletcher class involved at Sumar had half an inch right around a few vital systems (bridge, magazines) but no belt or deck armor beyond the structural hull. As for what they were hit by, 14 inch shells carried around 500 lbs of explosive, less than a high capacity modern missile but more than e.g. an exocet. They also hit with a kinetic energy of over 200 million joules, because the round itself was 3/4 of a ton and they went over twice the speed of sound. And plain DDs took 3 of them and a dozen smaller hits and kept fighting.
207 posted on 07/16/2006 8:30:32 AM PDT by JasonC
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