Posted on 07/15/2006 2:00:20 PM PDT by kronos77
The Bosnian government is bringing to a close five months of work reviewing how some 1,500 people - most of them fighters who came to Bosnia from Muslim countries during the 1992-1995 war - gained Bosnian citizenship. ... The 1,500 naturalized Bosnian citizens were given until last week to provide all documents used to gain Bosnian citizenship between 1992-1996. ... The Syrian-born Abu Hamza is also among those who are facing deportation. He arrived in Croatia in the early 1990s as a student and moved to Bosnia at the beginning of the war. Investigators say he lied on his citizenship application.
According to anonymous sources within the international community here, Abu Hamza is believed to have recently formed an organization called "Ansarija" to provide legal assistance to former mujahideen threatened with deportation to their home countries. Many of them are expecting prison sentences in their countries for membership in banned groups and other crimes. ...
Prosecutors believe Islamic veterans of the Balkan wars have since formed cells, recruited new fighters and plotted crimes and terrorist attacks in the Middle East as well as in Western Europe, Canada and the US.
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, one of the masterminds of the 11 September attacks, was wounded in the Bosnian war.
Two Bosnian passports belonging to naturalized Egyptians were found in a suspected al-Qaida safe house in Kabul.
(Excerpt) Read more at isn.ethz.ch ...
Bosnia:
islamofascistic dictatorship constructed by Bill Clinton in 1990/es in which Christian constitutive state Repubolika Srpskais forced to disband its institutions in favour of "Multietnic" e.i. Muslim ones, and from which Muslim commander guilty for killing 3,500 Christians is sentenced on 2 years by ICTY. Oh, and released....
Real progress will have been made when Islamofascists and Islamoterrorists have sanctuary only in Hell.
Does that mean Osama will lose his passport?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=osama+bosnia+passport
The Serbs warned Bosnian Muslim President Alia Izetbegovic was in league with Islamic extremists, but nobody listened.
Probably because the Serbs were more violently extremist than anybody else in the Balkans at the time.
As it stands, however, Islamic extremism failed to gain a base in the Balkans. Bosnia has become a partner in the war on terrorism, arresting and turning over any Bosnian nationals we identify, and providing forces for the coalition in Iraq.
For some reason, the Serbs continue to think that propaganda and disinformation are more valuable to us than concrete action, which is why they're still on our sh*t list.
It is surprising how many Dhimmi-wannabes still support the Jihadists regardless of how much evidence surfaces proving that the Serbs were right all along.
The truth about Izebegovic's attempt to build an Islamic state can no longer be denied and the jihadists are pulling what we in the states call a "Sister Souljah moment" to pretend they are on the West's side of the War on Terror.
And if Bosnia "deports" these terrorists, where in Europe will they go? Oh gee, we didn't see that one coming, huh? LOL!
There are only 2-3 people on Free Republic dishonest enough to support such Bravo Sierra, of course.
One of 'em even posted here already! What a Dhimmi stooge!
Perhaps because it was so valuable for the Croat and Muslims!
The difference is that what Serbs & some Americans are saying here is not "disinformation", it is truth that has taken a long time coming to light.
Most American Serbs I know, have said to me and I agree -- "Look I am an American and I will not defend Serbs who are wrong. When somone screws up, you admit it. But there has been such a snow job done on American about the break-up of Yugoslavia, that we need to undo it -- to push for the truth -- because that is not just what is good for Serbs, but it is what is good for America, too! "
But F-117 is right, too. What most Americans believe about the wars & break-up of Yugoslavia could just as well have come out of "a brochure" from one of the Croat & Muslim hired PR firms --- and that was complete "disinformation".
1. Srebrenica was a setup.
2. Markale was a setup. (1 & 2)
3. Racak was a setup.
4. NATO bombing drove K-Albanians out of Kosovo.
5. The KLA is a franchise of Al Qaida.
There are some of your Serb "truths" currently in circulation around here.
When somone screws up, you admit it.
Ha ha. Funny.
Ok, let's take the opposite view:
1. This is the the premise: Serbs for no particular reason -- no history of persecuting Moslems, no racist ideology in any of their historical literature, no military or strategic advantage to be gained -- simply line up 8,000 men & boys (after seperating out the women) and just kill them for the hell of it.
However, no military satellite photos exist showing a trace of the Srebrenica event, before or after it happened -- in spite of the fact that the area was under constant military and satellite surveilance by the US and UN. Some Muslims who they were supposed to have "killed" actually start showing up alive in other places. Nowhere near the number of bodies that are supposed to be there, are found -- in spite of there having been an ongoing war, and two previous World Wars in the same neighborhood, so there should have been lots of bodies, even unrelated to the Srebrenica event for them to use as "evidence" if they wanted to fake it. The fact that Naser Oric uses Srebrenica as a staging point for military excursions which kill over a thousand Serbs in the surrounding area, is completely ignored by the UN & media. The fact that a non-Serb reporter says that he had film footage of Muslims killing Serbs in the neighborhood and turned it over to the ICTY, but now that film is MIA, is ignored. The fact that more people today know about "Srebrenica" as an (anti-Serb) event than know about Operation Storm which killed far more people (including women, children and old people) and completely and PERMANENTLY displaced a couple hundred thousand Serbs forever (pro-Serb), is ignored.
And just how preposterous does that sound to you? Because it sounds pretty damn weird to me!
2. Markale (1& 2). Your premise is that they were not set-ups, the came from Serbs firing mortars into the crowds.
But, the surgeon who worked on the people says that all the physical damage to the victims wasn't consistent with mortars -- it was all below the waist like a planted explosive. The Serbs were not even in firing range in one or both case. The street was closed off and the cameras were set-up for "an event" -- and then the supposedly "random event" -- Serbs firing a mortar at that spot, happened.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......Bizarre.
3. Your premise: Racak was a real "massacre of Albanians".
However, Finnish forensic pathologists who investigated the scene for the EU, says it was not: http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans1.html
4. Your premise: NATO bombing (did not drive) K-Albanians out of Kosovo. The K-Albanians civilians stayed in their homes and went about their business as usual, while 78 days of NATO bombs went off everywhere around them -- only waiting for the Serbs to show up to "drive them all out". And the Serbs had time to do this, while under fire from the KLA and the NATO Bombs -- and also while supposedly committing other "massacres".
That is so stupid an idea that anyone with a lick of common sense can see through it in under a minute, if they think about it.
5. Your premise: "The KLA is (not) a franchise of Al Qaida". The KLA was so noble in its quest for independence, that -- unlike Bosnia-- it refused help from Al Qaida.
The fact that the Semtex used in the London and Spain bombings by Al Qaeda came from Muslim Kosovo is just "a coincidence". The fact that Al Qaeda profits from the drug and sex slavery trade, and Kosovo is a Muslim command point for all the drugs and sex slaves coming into Western Europe, is also just "a coincidence". The appearance of Osama bin Laden in Albania a few years prior to the NATO bombing is equally "a coincidence" -- as are all the Saudi mosques being built in Kosovo and all the Serbian Orthodox Churchs being torn down!
Again, one would have to be a complete idiot to believe any of the above.
According to you and your ideas, Serbs would have to be the best MAGICIANS on the face of the earth -- appearing where they are not, making thing appear and disappear, creating isllusions that don't exist -- AND, they would have to be using that unbelievable magical power, not for their betterment, but instead to completely screw themselves!
How many ways can you spell, "SET UP"?
No, let's not.
Let's instead merely note that you choose to support Serbian lies rather than deal with the facts, and are capable of trotting out the laundry list of Serbian disinformation whenever it suits.
When somone screws up, you admit it.
As stated, ha ha, funny.
You've been a propagandist for so long, Hoplite, that you wouldn't know "The Truth" if it stuck its tongue down your throat!
You don't even know how to discuss or challenge facts, so you just invest in name-calling, like a schoolyard child.
You were right to give up. You are out of your league, pal, when you consort with people who actually use their brains to consider things before rushing to judgement.
So right from the get go you show you're either ignorant of the facts, or knowingly lying.
You are out of your league, pal, when you consort with people who actually use their brains to consider things before rushing to judgement.
Oh the irony.
"Ahem"
That's it? That's all of of what you have to say re the inconsistencies on all those issues?
Yes, there were war crimes committed by the Bosnian Serbs and there was certainly a slaughter of a large number of Muslim men. This photo was where they discovered a mass grave of about 1,200. So far, they have found about 2,400 bodies in several mass graves. But that is not 8,000!
Yes, there were war crimes committed by the Bosnian Serbs and there was certainly a slaughter of a large number of Muslim men.
Good so far....
This photo was where they discovered a mass grave of about 1,200.
Close - the 10th sabotage executed approximately 1,200 men at Branjevo farm. Erdemovic and recently Boskic were members of that unit and have admitted their part in the executions. As to the bodies, however, the Bosnian Serbs excavated the mass grave at Branjevo and transported the bodies to secondary and sometimes even tertiary mass graves - mass graves which are still being exhumed to this day, so the Bosnian Serb hide-and-seek game with their victims is not yet over.
So far, they have found about 2,400 bodies in several mass graves. But that is not 8,000!
Again, not quite - there have been approximately 2,500 victims identified, which, as you note, is not 8,000, but the number inexoribly increases every year as more Srebrenica related mass graves are exumed and their grisly contents examined.
That's it? That's all of of what you have to say re the inconsistencies on all those issues?
I just thought I'd start at the top, that's all.
As to #2, Galic was found guilty of being responsible for the mortaring of the Markale Market in 1994, with one judge dissenting, but a mortar it was, and his successor, Dagomir Milosevic, gets to contend with British Cymbeline ballistic radar evidence fingering his forces for the 1995 Markale shelling - should be fun.
#3? From your article:
And now there's a report that the Finnish forensic pathologists who investigated the incident on behalf of the European Union, say there was no evidence of a massacre. In an article to be published in Forensic Science International at the end of February, the Finnish team writes that none of the bodies were mutilated, there was no evidence of torture, and only one was shot at close range.
The article in question, Independent forensic autopsies in an armed conflict: investigation of the victims from Racak, Kosovo by Rainio, Lalu, & Penttila, is available online. Have you read it? I doubt it, but if you can point to where the report rules out a massacre, get yourself in touch with the defence team for Milutinovic et al pronto, as they're going to answer for Racak and much the same evidence Milosevic was confronted with.
In short, your source on Racak is BS, and a replay of Ranta's damning testimony is in the offing.
#4. Serb forces observed an Easter cease-fire, NATO did not. Refugee flow lessened considerably during the Serbian cease-fire, and picked up immediately after it ended. Taken in to consideration with the statements of the refugees themselves, (Serbs murdering certain villagers and then robbing and expelling the rest), you're yet again demonstrating both a gullibility and willingness to repeat BS. It's embarrassing. Really.
Remember Patrick Ball? I expect he'll be back for the Milutinovic et al trial.
#5 Neither the London nor Madrid bombings were connected to the Balkans. The Republika Srpska's Police Chief, Dragomir Andan, lied for all he was worth about Madrid, but wound up withdrawing his statements and losing his job. (We had a thread on the topic, sorry you missed it). Meanwhile, the explosives for the London bombings were cooked up locally.
The fact that the Semtex used in the London and Spain bombings by Al Qaeda came from Muslim Kosovo is just "a coincidence".
D'oh. The more you type, the worse it gets.
How many ways can you spell, "SET UP"?
Fewer than you've just spelled "pathetic".
You should have been happy with me stopping at your first gaffe.
Whatever. Until the Serbs come to terms with their past, to include eschewing all the BS you've just regurgitated, Euro-Atlantic integration, and the economic benefits it entails, will remain out of reach - there is a real world price for stupidity, and the Serbs have been paying non-stop since 1991. Perversely, Serbia is the new Albania - xenophobic, shunned, and pathetic. Think on that for a spell.
"As it stands, however, Islamic extremism failed to gain a base in the Balkans. Bosnia has become a partner in the war on terrorism, arresting and turning over any Bosnian nationals we identify, and providing forces for the coalition in Iraq.
For some reason, the Serbs continue to think that propaganda and disinformation are more valuable to us than concrete action, which is why they're still on our sh*t list."
Then why did Clinton support the Jihadist and Muh. In Bosnia. Why did MPRI train jihadist against Serbs, who were more violent than the Serbs, and why did the U.S. have to lie about the number of dead Jihadist. Killing 8,000 wouldn't have been so bad. But it was only about 2-3,000, which would have drastically reduced the number of Islamic Jihadist that are now citizens.
Wait, could it be that we wanted to control the entrance of Al Qaeda and at the same time create a war whereas we kill two birds with one stone. We create the war, by stirring the pot in Bosnia since we couldn't keep Milosevic on our side....and to break up Yugslavia, while under the BS of trying to get control of the Bosnian Muslims....... What the JCS didn't say was that the Bosnian Muslims wouldn't allow a total Islamic state as would neither Kosovo or Macedonia. The BS reason to go in for everyone else was to prevent the Islamization of the Balkans. Crap!!!! The Muslim practice in the Balkans would never accept the Saudi's nor Al Qaeda. As a matter of fact they would kick the crap out of the Imams...I know because Albanian Mullahs in more than one location in Kosovo kept kicking the Saudi' Imams out of the mosques.....and their homes due to the "non-Islamic" teachings as they, (Mullahs) call it.
1. Srebrenica was a setup.
2. Markale was a setup. (1 & 2)
3. Racak was a setup.
4. NATO bombing drove K-Albanians out of Kosovo.
5. The KLA is a franchise of Al Qaida.
Finally.....I'm proud of you Hoplite. you have finally come to terms with the truth. Items 1-3, absolutely. Item 4 is debatable as the Serbian paramilitaries did murder POW's, rapes were committed, and rumors of more than what actually happened was circulated by KLA members. The NATO bombing as directed by Clark was indiscrimate and badly orchestrated or was on purpose, whichever is not a good thing. The KLA was not a franchise of Al Qaida, KLA incorporated Muh fighters from Afghanistan and other locations. Al Qaida has tried to join but was not very successful in joining the fight. We can talk about this relationship for half a book....The KLA was an entity trained by CIA, to fight the Serbs, bringing in as members the Muh we befriended in Afghanistan during their fight against the Russians.
Erdemovic and Boskic are Croats and proven liars. They were part of a Croat unit from Tuzla; there is no official records of them being apart of Serb units.
Both are let off easily after telling tales to fit in with the Srebrenica massacre hype/hoax.
They may have killed Muslims on their way to Tuzla - perhaps to frame the Serbs. But how can anyone believe a Croat from Tuzla (Erdemovic) who initially joined the Muslim forces, then switched to fight for Croats, then allegedly joined the Serbs - how can anyone believe a guy with so much freedom to quit and join could be FORCED to kill?
And the man is free today - free because he went along with the script and claimed he killed a large nice even round number of Muslims. He claims he was forced at one time, and another, he is sipping his drink in a cafe and watching another execution.
Srebrenica men were pouring into Tuzla starting a week after the fall, and they continued to come in the following weeks and months. Many had be discovered on other fronts.
They include Zepa Muslims among the 2,500 number of "Srebrenica" identified. Zepa was another Muslim army base not too far from Srebrenica.
There's no weeding out the battle deaths, so they include those who died by fighting and mines.
The Muslim government would not give the Red Cross access or information to the Srebrenica men who arrived in Tuzla and elsewhere.
There were major battles during the closing months of the war - including Operation Storm only three weeks later. The Bosnian Muslims sent thousands of men to fight during Operation Storm. I have no doubt that the men who went missing after the fall - some of them - were assigned to other fronts and died in those, without ever getting a chance to see their families again.
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