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Israel: Iran Aided Hezbollah Ship Attack
Associated Press ^ | Jul 15, 2006 | MATT MOORE

Posted on 07/15/2006 8:15:40 AM PDT by george76

A missile fired by Hezbollah, not an unmanned drone laden with explosives, damaged an Israeli warship off Lebanon, the army said Saturday.

Elite Iranian troops helped fire the missile...

One sailor was killed and three were missing.

The intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information, said about 100 Iranian soldiers are in Lebanon and helped fire the Iranian-made, radar-guided C-102 at the ship late Friday.

The official added that the troops involved in firing the missile are from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, an elite corps of more than 200,000 fighters that is independent of the regular armed forces and controlled directly by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Initial information indicated the guerrillas had used a drone for the first time to attack Israeli forces.

But the army's investigation showed that Hezbollah had fired an Iranian-made missile at the vessel from the shores of Lebanon, said Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan.

"We can confirm that it was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah,"...

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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Have not seen one yet. Looking. I have an assessment thread going HERE. Come on down.
141 posted on 07/15/2006 12:02:57 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: wyattearp

Could they be trying to divert from the fact that their EW did not pick up the threat - is that even possible that it won't work against certain missiles?


142 posted on 07/15/2006 12:04:08 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: wyattearp; gotribe
"The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the missile detection and deflection system was not operating, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack."<

I cannot believe this. The ship was in comnbat and was stationed there precisely to protect the gun boats from any air attack. Having their EW and ECM and DETECTION gear was off in such a situation would be almost a court-martial offense IMHO. Criminal derelection in a combat zone particularly.

143 posted on 07/15/2006 12:10:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Wristpin
We shall see. No pics of the damage that I have seen yet.

I cannot imagine the IDF not having the C-802 in their active library. It is the principle anti-shipping weapon of their principal adversary, the Iranians.

As for me, I am an engineer and worked on naval DOD projects for a number of years Dad was a combat vet of the PTO in WW II, son-in-law is active duty Navy now, and his wife, my daughter, works for the Navy. I've been a member of the US Naval institute for years.

Now work for the Federal government.

144 posted on 07/15/2006 12:26:53 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: george76
The official added that the troops involved in firing the missile are from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, an elite corp...

"Elite" forces in the muslim world equate to a Marine 2 weeks into boot camp.

145 posted on 07/15/2006 12:44:57 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: randog

yea.. I don't get this "Elite" catchy phrase every time they speak about muslim armies.. one of our regular Army guys is more Elite than the bestest they can muster.


146 posted on 07/15/2006 12:55:53 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Jeff Head

Can we loan the Israelis the moth-balled New Juersey class battleships? They would give them a bit more range for shore bombardment.


147 posted on 07/15/2006 12:57:10 PM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglés)
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To: gotribe; Jeff Head
Could they be trying to divert from the fact that their EW did not pick up the threat - is that even possible that it won't work against certain missiles?

I don't think so. Then again, I was a WLR-1G/SLQ-26 jockey, and I am totally unfamiliar with their EW gear, which is listed as:

EW: Elisra NS9003/9005 intercept/jammer, multiple RLs

They also have chaff launchers. I don't know why they wouldn't have their gear set up to detect/identify/jam this missile, unless they didn't have the intel to tell them what the parameters were. As they are our ally in the region (and I am assuming that WE know what the parameters are), I doubt that is very likely.

I also am having a hard time believing that they didn't think an Iranian missile wouldn't pose a threat to them, seeing as Iran founded Hezbullah in the first place. Something isn't adding up here.

That said, I agree with Jeff Head on this one. If their EW gear was off in a combat zone, the person responsible for it should be up on charges. This ship was primary AAW for the task force, and intentionally making yourself blind to all threat emitters is not only totally unacceptable, it is insane.

148 posted on 07/15/2006 12:58:41 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: wyattearp

you think maybe it was juicy steak dangle op? maybe insertion took place while all eyes were on the ship looking the other way?


149 posted on 07/15/2006 1:01:54 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Ingtar
Can we loan the Israelis the moth-balled New Juersey class battleships? They would give them a bit more range for shore bombardment.

Not a bad idea. Lobbing trash can-sized shells on shore really gets people's attention. Incendiary shells for effect.

150 posted on 07/15/2006 1:01:54 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: popdonnelly
I think the message is clear: If Iran has the Bomb, then Hizbollah has the Bomb.

Think about what that implies.

It is time to neuter the Iranian threat.

151 posted on 07/15/2006 1:20:33 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: popdonnelly
I think the message is clear: If Iran has the Bomb, then Hizbollah has the Bomb.

Think about what that implies.

It is time to neuter the Iranian threat.

152 posted on 07/15/2006 1:20:35 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: Cinnamon

Hadn't thought of that, actually... hmmm...

Could be. Too many things about this incident don't make any sense. Why was their stern (helo deck) pointing toward the shore, where the AAW threat they were supposedly protecting against would have come from? If they were primary AAW, why was their detection gear turned off? For what possible reason did they think that they were safe from SSM's, that close to shore?


153 posted on 07/15/2006 1:23:50 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Jeff Head

Now that I've seen pictures of that ship, I recognize it. That, or similar ships, have been cruising the coast within a couple of miles of shore. I see them from the roof of my hotel. WAY to close for their comfort. Interestingly, one was back today, after the hit on its brethren yesterday. This leads me to believe that they were caught offguard, and won't be again. I also hear jets cruising overhead. If the Iranians shoot any more missiles for Hizbollah, they will be toasted.


154 posted on 07/15/2006 1:25:13 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: wyattearp
Needs repeating.

...intentionally making yourself blind to all threat emitters is not only totally unacceptable, it is insane.

155 posted on 07/15/2006 1:27:12 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: wyattearp

well what's that Special Ops Israeli team's name? I know a couple of courageous Islamic leaders are on the hit list now..


156 posted on 07/15/2006 1:27:45 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: randog

Maybe they use the word "elite" to try to scare us.

The old media wants us to lose.

It will not work, but the DUmmies at Reuters, etc. are trying...


157 posted on 07/15/2006 1:29:34 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rebel_yell2
Thanks for that on-site info. The IDF only has three of these ships, so they are risking a lot with one down.

My guess is they will be further off shore with a LOT more air support, particulalry AWACS and the like.

Keep ypou head down, watch your six, and your top-knot over there.

158 posted on 07/15/2006 1:29:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Ingtar

That lend lease idea is good.


159 posted on 07/15/2006 1:31:05 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rebel_yell2

Have you seen this ?

The London-based Arabic language newspaper Al-Hayat reported Saturday that “Washington has information according to which Israel gave Damascus 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity along the Lebanon-Israel border and bring about the release the two kidnapped IDF soldiers or it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences.”

Al-Hayat quoted the source as saying that “the US cannot rule out the possibility of an Israeli strike in Syria,”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275886,00.html


160 posted on 07/15/2006 1:37:43 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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