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Some Leeway for the Small Shoplifter
The New York Times ^ | 7/13/2006 | Michael Barbaro

Posted on 07/13/2006 5:44:24 AM PDT by Ptaz

Wal-Mart refuses to carry smutty magazines. It will not sell compact discs with obscene lyrics. And when it catches customers shoplifting — even a pair of socks or a pack of cigarettes — it prosecutes them.

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Paul Sakuma/Associated Press Customers outside a Wal-Mart store in Mountain View, Calif. But now, in a rare display of limited permissiveness, Wal-Mart is letting thieves off the hook — at least in cases involving $25 or less.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: business; culture; shoplifter; walmart
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To: Mark was here
Are you talking about what the sheriff is supposed to do (as the top court officer) or what a officer in a local police force is supposed to do?

Make sure you keep your terminology straight. After all, this issue came up when someone estimated the hourly rate for a "sheriff". I now have no doubt that poster had no idea what a "sheriff" really was, or what the costs might be incurred by the county in sustaining that job.

Now, about doughnuts, I'm a diabetic. Tell me, are they still good? Haven't had one in ages. Can smell the suger from here.

101 posted on 07/13/2006 3:03:37 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Hey, if you're going to insult someone in a post ping them to it you rude lying bag of crap.


102 posted on 07/13/2006 3:04:31 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: discostu
I distinctly said: "There are the 'support costs' behind that sheriff. He's probably costing $500 an hour just to have around "

That's all I've been discussing ~ the sheriff.

103 posted on 07/13/2006 3:06:57 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: discostu

You lied about what I said concerning the hourly cost of a sheriff. Why should I be concerned with your delicate sensitivities. Besides, you found the post readily enough.


104 posted on 07/13/2006 3:08:14 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Let's look at what you said:

Post 65 "Very old fashioned, but there's no shop-lifting, no sheriff, and no ill-will."

This would obviously be a responding officer, not "the sheriff".

Post 71 "his vacation relief, his second and third shift relief,"

"The sheriff" doesn't have vacation relief, or second shift relief, or third shift relief.

Post 74 "For you to have an hour of the time of a sheriff, at your residence, while you report a crime"

Oh look there's you talking about a sheriff as a responding officer.

Post 77 "divide them by the number of hours actually worked by a sheriff, "

There's you once again talking about a sheriff doing responding officer work.

Post 79 "After all, if the sheriff wasn't arresting those people why would you need an attorney?"

There you have a sheriff that's arresting people, since top dog sheriffs almost never do actual arrests you must once again be talking about responding officers.

And then all of a sudden in post 85 you insist you're not talking about responding officers, only the guy in charge. You're a liar.


105 posted on 07/13/2006 3:14:41 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: muawiyah

Read your own quotes. You were talkinng about responding officers and you know it.


106 posted on 07/13/2006 3:15:17 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: discostu
I mentioned sheriff first ~ in post 65. One of the reasons I know what I posted is I have been discussing the imputed costs of a sheriff to tend to Wal-Mart's nickers.

That's a lot of territory!

107 posted on 07/13/2006 3:21:07 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

We're done liar. I've got you quoted multiple times using "sheriff" as a responding officer, including post 65. Now you're trying to say that's not how you were using it. Pathetic, dishonest and disgusting.


108 posted on 07/13/2006 3:25:58 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
very young and very old first time offenders.
This is a strictly business decision, made some time ago. I'm sure they will still scare the young kids and elderly, but it costs too much all around to pursue these cases vigorously. This is some typical "get Walmart" stuff, as disgruntled employees are supposed to be concerned about the social costs of underpaid labor on their communities, but now they are concerned about shoplifiting affecting their ability to "do their jobs." Now publish it onto the NYT and hope people start stealing more from Walmart. They want Walmart unionized or closed. They are vermin.
109 posted on 07/13/2006 3:33:15 PM PDT by xroadie
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To: discostu

I never said "responding officer". That's your term, and you came up with it long after I'd referred to the sheriff.


110 posted on 07/13/2006 3:45:34 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Replace with $20 DVDs and you have a very profitable shoplifting operation.

If you can figure out how to get out of the store with one $20 DVD on a couple of occassions, with no risk of prosecution... it's an easy jump to remove 10 or 15 to make a nice business.


111 posted on 07/13/2006 4:17:56 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Too soon... to forget. See United 93)
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To: rwilson99
It's still chump change to what an employee can get simply by using a pallet jack to move a load of digital cameras over near his pickup truck parked near the platform.

You also have to keep in mind the relative cost situation. Wal-Mart's loss to shoplifting is what it pays for merchandise. The price you see reflects their cost, plus their profit expectations, plus whatever else they can get out of you. There can be a big difference between what they charge and what they pay.

112 posted on 07/13/2006 4:24:00 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
I don't know of any counties that have more than one sheriff.

One Sheriff, but how many deputies?

113 posted on 07/13/2006 5:42:13 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

You're either the sheriff or you're not. There's nothing more to discuss.


114 posted on 07/13/2006 5:50:13 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
There's nothing more to discuss.

On this particular subject, and I'm not talking about the Sheriff, you're correct.

115 posted on 07/13/2006 6:12:12 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: muawiyah

You're presenting a false choice.

A couple of cameraas in the stock room and the adjoining loading docks can prevent the type of theft you describe.

Choosing to prosecute on small shoplifters is a great deterent to developing large shoplifters.... and as you've mentioned that's where the real losses can happen.

It's like Guiliani prosecuting subway jumpers... there is no relative cost to the city for a subway jumper, the trains run anyway.

However, the subway jumper is disproportionately likely to have an outstanding warrant, or engage in other criminal activity... that's why you prosecute.


116 posted on 07/13/2006 7:52:04 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Too soon... to forget. See United 93)
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To: ShadowDancer
Christ, you're an idiot

Yes....yesterday I was. I don't know why. My apologies.

117 posted on 07/14/2006 6:23:54 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: discostu
As if by magic, this article popped up today: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060714/NEWS02/607140530

Indiana sheriffs can make over $178 per hour through a combination of tax collection fees and salary.

The costs to have that sheriff, however, must include office, HVAC, car, garage, mechanic, etc.

This is typical. Where they get a cut on jail meals, their income can climb above half a mil per year without much effort.

It's sometimes good to be the sheriff.

118 posted on 07/14/2006 12:18:36 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Does that sheriff: Post 74 "For you to have an hour of the time of a sheriff, at your residence, while you report a crime"?

Then obviously that isn't the type of sheriff you were talking about costing $500 an hour.


119 posted on 07/14/2006 12:34:30 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: laotzu

Not a problem. God knows I've done it myself.


120 posted on 07/15/2006 5:41:21 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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