Posted on 07/13/2006 4:55:12 AM PDT by conservativecorner
Just been listening to Karl Rove's address to La Raza ("The Race"), the far-Left white-hating Hispanic lobbying group. You can hear the address here . It's 23 minutes and change.
It was pretty much WH boilerplate on immigration. "Hispanics, and all immigrants, are real Americans [So I guess illegal immigrants are 'real Americans'.] ... Mindful of the dignity and value of every human being... shared values... The President understands that immigration is a benefit for America... Current immigration system is broken [No it isn't. It just needs E-N-F-O-R-C-I-N-G]... Needs comprehensive solution... First, we must secure the borders [Five years after 9/11, we must secure the borders. Great idea!] ... The system's broken... Biometric ID card... All these measures will come to naught without a temporary worker program... Match willing employers with willing workers for jobs Americans will not do [And so long as the willing workers are Hispanic, I guess. Why shouldn't Chinese, Africans, Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Egyptians, etc. have a shot at being 'matched'?] ... Out of the shadows... We must address the status of the undocumented...
There was an odd little contradiction. At one point Rove seemed to claim that Mexicans just want to stay here a while to save money, to start a business in Mexico (which, said Rove, costs $5,000). Five minutes later he was talking about "Illegal immigrants who have roots in America... who want to stay..." What happened to those sojourning entrepreneurs, Karl?
And then there was the standard snow job on illegals "getting in line behind those who've applied legally..." Those who've applied legally, Karl, are waiting patiently **in their home countries** for the chance to come live in the USA. Some of them have been waiting for DECADES. If illegals are to wait in line behind them, then they too should go back to their home countries to wait. Seen from abroad, the great prize is not US citizenship; it's US residence. You are giving this tremendous prize away to law-breakers, many of whom couldn't care less about citizenship.
Rove's address included a long and implausible parallel between 19th-century Norwegian immigration (his own forebears were Norwegian) and present-day Hispanic immigration. "Norwegian immigration didn't occur without a backlash..." etc. The population of Norway in 1900 was 2.2m. Current population of Latin America: 470m. First rule of immigration: NUMBERS ARE OF THE ESSENCE.
The seems to be a lot of heckling and booing. Rove just talks right through it (making it hard to follow some of the address). He got a big cheer at the end when he mentioned Bill Richardson, though. Why? Because Richardson is half-Mexican. It's race, race, race. That's why they call themselves "The Race." My guess is that most of the people in that convention hall don't know where Norway is, and couldn't care less. As La Raza's sister organization Mecha says: "For those in the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing." Race, race, race—-that's what these people are all about. This is an outfit the administration wants to court?
It is shameful, shameful and disgraceful, that a senior adviser to our Republican President should be truckling and pandering to these Hispano-racists.
I'm suggesting that they shouldn't be in our country. We can sort out our employment problems with fellow Americans who would love to have all the goodies showered on them just like it's showered on the illegals. I'm for LEGAL IMMIGRATION, and we can always increase or decrease the numbers as we see fit. First and foremost though is the protection of our borders and Constitution.
La Racistas.
I wholeheartedly agree.
But, for at least a generation, the local, county, state, and federal government....transcending party lines has decided not to do it.
So...why don't you run for political office on a platform that promises to deport everyone here illegally?
You'd garner many Freepers' votes...for sure.
But you'll lose in a landslide.
Really? Well I have a few polls that show how wrong you are:
Immigration Bills:
House vs. Senate
A new Zogby poll of likely voters, using neutral language, finds that Americans prefer the House of Representatives’ enforcement-only bill by 2-1 over Senate proposals to legalize illegal immigrants and greatly increase legal immigration. The poll was conducted for the Center for Immigration Studies.
Click here for detailed analysis of the poll conducted April 17-24, 2006.
On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration. Only twenty-six percent said immigrants were assimilating fine and that immigration should continue at current levels, compared to sixty-seven percent who said immigration should be reduced so we can assimilate those already here.
While the Senate is considering various bills that would increase legal immigration from 1 million to 2 million a year, two percent of Americans believe current immigration is too low. This was true for virtually every grouping in the survey by ethnicity, income, age, religion, region, party, or ideology thought immigration was too low.
When offered by itself, there is strong support for the House bill: sixty-nine percent said it was a good or very good idea when told it tries to make illegals go home by fortifying the border, forcing employer verification, and encouraging greater cooperation with local law enforcement while not increasing legal immigration; twenty-seven percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.
Support for the House approach was widespread, with eighty-one percent of Republicans, seventy-two percent of independents, fifty-seven percent of Democrats, and fifty-three percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea.
When offered by itself, there is also some support for the Senate approach, thought not as much as for the House bill: forty-two percent said the Senate approach was a good or very good idea when told it would allow illegal immigrants to apply for legal status provided they met certain criteria, and it would significantly increase legal immigration and increase enforcement of immigration laws; fifty percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.
There were few groups in which a majority supported the Senate plan, even when presented by itself, exceptions included Hispanics sixty-two percent of whom said it was a good or very good idea and the most liberal voters (progressives) fifty-four percent of whom approved of it.
When given three choices (House approach, Senate approach, or mass deportation), the public tends to reject both the Senate plan and a policy of mass deportations in favor of the House bill; twenty-eight percent want the Senate plan, twelve percent want mass deportations; while fifty-six percent want the House approach.
But when given a choice between just the House and Senate approaches, without the choice of mass deportations, the public prefers the House approach sixty-four percent version to thirty percent.
One reason the public does not like legalizations is that they are skeptical of need for illegal-immigrant labor. An overwhelming majority of seventy-seven percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just fifteen percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs.
Another reason the public does not like Senate proposals to legalize illegals and double legal immigration is that seventy-three percent said they had little or no confidence in the ability of the government to screen these additional applicants to weed out terrorists and criminals.
Public also does not buy the argument we have tried and failed to enforce the law: seventy-one percent felt that past enforcement efforts have been "grossly inadequate," while only nineteen percent felt we had made a "real effort" to enforce our laws.
Prefer Lower Numbers
Sixty-seven percent of Americans approve of the U.S. government deporting illegal immigrants to the country they came from.
Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006
Sixty-seven percent of Americans would you like to see the number of illegal immigrants currently in this country decreased.
Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006
Fifty-seven percent of registered voters believe the illegal immigration situation in the United States is "very serious" and twenty-nine percent believe it is "somewhat serious."
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, May 16-18, 2006
Fifty-five percent of registered voters "favor" trying to send as many illegal immigrants back to their home countries as possible.
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, May 16-18, 2006
Seventy-seven percent of Americans think the United States is not doing enough to keep illegal immigrants from coming into this country.
ABC News/Washington Post Poll, May 11-15, 2006
Fifty-seven percent of Americans think the May 1, 2006 illegal alien solidarity protests did more to hurt their cause than help.
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, April 21-24, 2006
Informed that U.S. population is projected to grow to 420 million by 2050, fifty-seven percent of respondents believed that the present U.S. population of 300 million or less would be best for the country in the long run.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Six of ten Americans, according to the poll, favor annual immigration (now one million yearly) of less than 600,000 a year. Forty-five percent of respondents favored annual immigration of less than 300,000. Overall, seventy-two percent of respondents favor an annual immigration level that is less than the current one million.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Fifty-six percent of Americans agree that a practical way to reduce to near zero the number of resident illegal aliens is legislation making penalties for illegal presence so severe that illegal immigrants would leave voluntarily rather than run the risk of being caught and penalized.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Two Americans in three (sixty-eight percent) agree that the United States should set a goal of completely halting new illegal immigration.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Over half of Americans (fifty-five percent) support the goal of reducing the population of 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants now residing in the United States "to near zero."
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
One hundred percent of Americans believe it is important that the government take steps this year to control U.S. borders to halt the flow of illegal aliens.
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006
Eighty-one percent of Americans believe that illegal immigration to the United States is "out of control."
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006
Almost all Americans (eighty-seven percent) say they are concerned illegals will overburden government services, including 61 percent that are "very" concerned and another 26 percent that are "somewhat" concerned.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
Almost all Americans (ninety percent) say illegal immigration is a "very" serious (sixty percent) or "somewhat" serious (thirty percent) problem for the country today — essentially unchanged from a year ago this time.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
The majority of Republicans (sixty-five percent) and Democrats (fifty-eight percent) say illegal immigration is a "very" serious problem.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
Sixty-one percent said they are less likely to be sympathetic to illegal aliens as a result of the protests.
Zogby Poll, March 31-April 3, 2006
Eighty-two percent say that the United States is not doing enough to keep illegals from entering this country.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006
Sixty-one percent say they are "very concerned" that illegal aliens cost taxpayers too much money to provide them with services.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006
Sixty-two percent of Americans polled said they want their own congressional representative to support more restrictive policies governing immigration.
Zogby Poll, released March 19, 2006 / conducted February 3-7, 2006
Fifty-seven percent of American voters polled say illegal immigration into the U.S. is a "very serious problem."
Quinnipiac University National Poll, February 21-28, 2006
Eighty-three percent of American immigrant voters, or the children or grandchildren of immigrants, say illegal immigration is a serious problem.
Quinnipiac University National Poll, February 21-28, 2006
Sixty-two percent of American voters are opposed to making it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens, with immigrant families opposed fifty-six percent.
Quinnipiac University National Poll, February 21-28, 2006
Seventy-three percent of Californians say they are concerned to some degree about illegal immigration, with forty-three percent being "extremely concerned."
Field Poll, February 12-26 2006
Fifty-seven percent of California voters say illegal immigration is having a negative effect on the state.
Field Poll, February 12-26 2006
Sixty percent of Americans polled say there are already too many people in the U.S. without adding illegal aliens.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Eighty-nine percent of Americans polled say illegal immigration into the U.S. is a problem.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Oppose Amnesty
By eight-to-one, Americans think it is unfair to grant rights to illegal immigrants while thousands of people wait each year to come to the United States legally. Fully eighty-six percent of Republicans think it is unfair, as do seventy-seven percent of Democrats.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
Sixty-five percent of those surveyed said they would be willing to pay significantly higher prices for some goods and services should that be the result of tighter control of the southern U.S. border and a resulting lower number of undocumented workers.
Zogby Poll, March 31-April 3, 2006
Fifty-six percent of Americans polled say the U.S. should NOT grant temporary-worker status to foreigners who are here illegally, as this would make them and their families eligible for government services while they are here. We should not reward people who have broken the law, and this will encourage even more people to enter the United States illegally.
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, March 10-13, 2006
Protect Jobs and Wages
Sixty percent of Americans favor imposing fines of tens of thousands of dollars on employers who hire illegal immigrants.
Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006
Eighty-one percent of Americans polled support strict criminal penalties on employers who, after repeatedly being cited, persist in knowingly hiring illegal aliens.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Eighty-four percent of Americans believe the most effective way to reduce illegal immigration is to cut off the employment incentive for coming here by instituting tough penalties for businesses that hire illegal immigrants. More than half think this would be "very effective," and another 32% say it would be "somewhat effective."
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006
Fifty-nine percent of black California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006
Sixty percent of California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006
Seventy-three percent of Americans favor imposing fines and criminal charges against employers who hire illegals.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
More than ninety percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed believe illegal immigration is a problem. Seventy percent rank it as a "very serious" or "serious" problem.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Eighty-six percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed say illegal immigration should have a "very high" or "high" priority for Congress and the Bush administration.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Sixty-three percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants if they only need to prove that they have been living in the U.S. for at least three years.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Increasing penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens was supported by seventy-eight percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Seventy-one percent support major penalties for employers who hire illegals.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006
Seventy-six percent of Americans polled are concerned that American workers can't afford to work for the same low wages as illegal aliens.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Sixty-three percent of Americans polled are concerned about illegal aliens taking away jobs from American workers.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Seventy-four percent of Americans polled favor providing major penalties for employers convicted of hiring illegal aliens and strongly enforcing it.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Eighty percent on Arizona voters favor penalizing businesses that hire illegal aliens.
KAET-TV and Arizona State University's Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication poll, January 19-22, 2006
Support Tougher Enforcement
72 percent of all New York State residents say that entering the United States without valid immigration documents should be made a criminal offense.
2006 Empire State Poll; July 2006
Seventy-eight percent of Americans favor putting more Border Patrol and federal law enforcement agents on the U.S. border with Mexico.
Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006
Fifty-six percent of Americans favor sending National Guard troops to the U.S. border with Mexico.
Opinion Research Corporation/Lou Dobbs poll, June 8-11, 2006
Seventy-nine percent of registered voters "favor" increasing the number of federal agents patrolling the border to stop illegal immigration.
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, May 16-18, 2006
Sixty-three percent of registered voters "favor" using thousands of National Guard troops temporarily to help border patrol agents along the Mexican border to stop illegal immigration.
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, May 16-18, 2006
Sixty-two percent of Americans say they would favor stationing 6,000 National Guard troops in a support capacity at the U.S.-Mexico border to try to stop illegal immigration.
CBS News Poll, May 16-17, 2006
Sixty-eight percent of Americans think stationing National Guard troops at the U.S.-Mexico border would be effective in reducing the number of illegal immigrants to the U.S.
CBS News Poll, May 16-17, 2006
Seventy-four percent of Americans support using National Guard troops to patrol the U.S. border with Mexico.
ABC News/Washington Post Poll, May 12-14, 2006
Seventy-four percent of Americans support using National Guard troops to patrol the U.S.-Mexico border.
Washington Post-ABC News poll, April 14-16, 2006
Of those Americans polled who favored the goal of halting new illegal immigration, 64 percent support tough penalties against violators such as fines and mandatory prison terms, followed by deportation.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Of those Americans polled who favored reducing to near zero the number of resident illegal aliens, 72 percent of that group also support tough penalties against violators such as fines and mandatory prison terms, followed by deportation.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Sixty-one percent of Americans support making illegal immigration a crime, and fifty-two percent support making it a crime to knowingly assist an illegal alien.
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006
Sixty percent of Americans believe not allowing illegal aliens to use American schools and hospitals would be effective at reducing illegal immigration: thirty percent call this very effective and 30 percent say it is somewhat effective.
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006
The vast majority of Americans also see value in beefing up the number of border control officers: thirty-seven percent call this very effective and forty-four percent say it is somewhat effective.
The Gallup Poll, April 7-9, 2006
Sixty-six percent of black California voters favor building a wall along major sections of the border between the U.S. and Mexico to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006
Sixty-four percent of California voters oppose allowing illegal aliens to obtain a driver's license in California.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006
Fifty-seven percent of Americans polled favor deporting as many illegals as possible.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
Fifty-five percent of Americans polled favor using the U.S. military to stop entry at the borders.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
Eighty percent of Americans polled favor increasing the number of border patrol agents.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006
Americans would limit illegals' access to government services, such as driver’s licenses (sixty-nine percent not allow), health care/food stamps (seventy-five percent not allow), and attending public schools (fifty-one percent not allow).
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006
Sixty-two percent favor taking whatever steps are necessary at the borders, including the use of the military, to cut the flow of illegals into this country.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006
Fifty-six percent favor building a security fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006
Seventy-one percent of Americans polled say they are more likely to vote for a Congressional Candidate who favors tighter controls on illegal immigration.
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, March 10-13, 2006
Seventy-one percent of Americans polled say they are concerned that illegal aliens increase the amount of crime.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Seventy percent of Americans polled are concerned that illegal aliens increase the likelihood of terrorism in the United States.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Seventy-four percent of Americans polled say the U.S. isn't doing enough along its borders to keep illegal aliens from crossing into this country.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Oppose Rewards for
Illegal Migration
Fifty-three percent of Americans polled support legislation to deny automatic U.S. citizenship to children born here to parents who are illegal aliens.
Roper ASW Poll conducted for Negative Population Growth (NPG), April 14-16, 2006
Sixty-two percent of California voters oppose driver's licenses for illegal aliens.
Field Poll, February 12-26 2006
Seventy-two percent of American voters are opposed to allowing illegal immigrants to get drivers' licenses, with immigrant voter families opposed sixty-six percent.
Quinnipiac University National Poll, February 21-28, 2006
Eighty-four percent of American voters are in favor of requiring proof of legal residency in order to obtain government benefits, with immigrant voter families in support eighty percent.
Quinnipiac University National Poll, February 21-28, 2006
Eighty-three percent of Americans polled are concerned that it costs taxpayers too much money to provide illegal aliens with services such as health care and education.
Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006
Hispanics on Immigration
Forty-six percent of Mexicans (approximately 46 million people) would immigrate to the United States and more than 20% of them would enter illegally if given the chance. Specifically:
65% of U.S.-born Latinos say Immigrants strengthen the U.S.
Twenty-eight percent of U.S.-born Latinos say immigrants are a burden on the U.S.
Eighty-nine percent of foreign-born Latinos say immigrants strengthen the U.S.
Five percent of foreign-born Latinos say immigrants are a burden on the U.S.
Eighty percent of all Latinos say immigrants strengthen the U.S.
Fourteen percent of all Latinos say Immigrants are a burden on the U.S.
Sixty percent of U.S.-born Latinos approve restricting driver's licenses to U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
Twenty-nine percent of foreign-born Latinos approve restricting driver's licenses to U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
Forty-five percent of Latinos residing in Mexico say they would move to the U.S. increase their family income by 7 times minimum wage.
Forty-five percent of Latinos residing in Mexico say they would move to the U.S. increase their family income by 3-7 times minimum wage.
Forty-seven percent of Latinos residing in Mexico say they would move to the U.S. increase their family income by 0-3 times minimum wage.
Pew Hispanic Center poll, August 2005
Black Americans on Immigration
Sixty-six percent of black California voters favor building a wall along major sections of the border between the U.S. and Mexico to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006
Fifty-nine percent of black California voters favor imposing stiff penalties on employers and individuals who hire illegal aliens.
The Field Poll, April 3-10, 2006
Union Members on Immigration
Former Calif. Governor Gray Davis' granting of drivers licenses to illegal aliens was cited as a key reason why 31 percent of Democrats in unions were likely to vote to recall him.
Los Angeles Times Poll, September 2003
Business Owners on Immigration
More than ninety percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed believe illegal immigration is a problem. Seventy percent rank it as a "very serious" or "serious" problem.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Eighty-six percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed say illegal immigration should have a "very high" or "high" priority for Congress and the Bush administration.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Sixty-three percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants if they only need to prove that they have been living in the U.S. for at least three years.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Increasing penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens was supported by seventy-eight percent of NFIB small-business owners surveyed.
National Federation of Independent Business Research Foundation Member Survey on Immigration, April 4, 2006
Moderates and Independents on Immigration
President Bush's job approval rating has dropped by 10 percentile from 60 to 50 percent. His approval rating matches the lowest of his entire presidency, and his disapproval rating is now at the highest ever at 45 percent. One of the three main reasons for the decline in the President's popularity is his wildly unpopular amnesty/guest worker proposal. Most of the President's huge decline in popularity has been among Independents.
CBS New Poll, January 2004
Women on Immigration
Over half (fifty-six percent) of women think legal immigration should be reduced. Only 10 percent of women think legal immigration should be increased.
CBS News/New York Times poll, September and December 2001
A majority of women (eighty-four percent) think the United States has made it too easy for people from other countries to enter the United States.
CBS News/New York Times poll, September and December 2001
Opinion Elites vs. Public
Fifty-four percent of those polled disapprove of President Bush's handling of immigration issues -- his lowest rating on any issue other than the budget deficit.
CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll, January 2005
I reiterate.....Rove was ostensibly addressing a La Raza audience but he was actually lobbing trite warning phrases to anti-immigrationists as well as anti-illegal immigrationists (as you correctly added to my thought).
My main point was that Rove is a combination stalking horse, red herring and lightning rod for his boss's policies and not the 100% powerful "l'eminence grise" people think he is. I believe the President originated his own personal shamnesty policy and Rove has, does and will go along with it.
Yet Rove is the center of attention with many folks on this thread. Evidence that the "lightning rod" political ploy utilized to deflect criticism from presidents continues to be effective.
Leni
You don't expect me to read that do you?
I am not one to be dazzled with Bullsh*t. ;^)
Interesting. So by 'American' you mean anyone living in either North or South America? Typically, when people in the U.S. say "American" they are refering to U.S. citizens. Are you a U.S. citizen? (Just curious as to where you got this very un-American way of defining 'American. LOL)
I don't care if ya read it or not. You made a statement that I clearly blew out of the water with dozens and dozens of polls. Your mind is made up, and I'm not trying to change it. I'm merely questioning your statements based on facts and not your conjecture.
Two recent presidential elections have hardened me in that regard.
Me to Rove per Polipundit:
Rove Panders to the Klan in Tan
{The following post is a guest blog submitted in full by longtime Polipundit.com reader and friend “daniel."}
Karl Rove finally delivered his highly anticipated speech before the racist La Raza. He pandered to the criminal law brakers with the typical hyperbole, and euphemisms that have become the trademark of the Bush administration on this issue. He went on to make the dastardly comparison between Legal American Immigrants and Criminal, by definition, Illegal Aliens that “do the crimes that American won’t do.”
San Francisco Gate Reports:
“Everything that this country is, everything that we have achieved, everything that we hold, everything that we promise, is because we are a nation of diversity, brought together by immigration, and sharing a common dream,” Rove told members of the nation’s largest Hispanic civil rights group, the National Council of La Raza.”
Warning! If you read the full link, you might need a bucket.
Damn glad I didn't vote for Bush in 2004. I see damn little difference between the Elite Repubs and the Elite Dems.
Leni,
You got it right. When are you coming back to TapRoot?
America has been America ever since Vespuci convinced us Columbus was wrong to call it India.
Again, it is very much like the fundamentalist church of my childhood thinking only fundamentalists are "Christian". Since we separated ourselves from the "world" we had no clue that others could be call themselves "Christian" in sincerity. We thought that when others called themselves "Christian" it was an intentional lie.
Nevertheless, since most citizens of the U.S. think when you say "American" you are refering to a citizen of the U.S., I'm sure you understand the reasons for the original comment.
Race-baiting Rove ping
I voted for him twice, donated out the ya-zoo and personally campaigned for the man. I was naive concerning compassionate Conservatism. He certainly doesn't deserve all the blame. Congress has spent like there's no tomorrow, and they do hold the purse strings for God's sake. I excused much because I really believed in the man and especially so after 9/11. What finally broke the camel's back for me was the Meirs debacle. After that incident, I knew we had all been sold down the river, and by "we" I mean Conservatives.
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