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Friend Testifies Yates Talked Of Satan
CBS 5 GREEN BAY ^ | 11 JULY 2006 | AP

Posted on 07/11/2006 6:53:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Defense Rests In Yates Retrial

(AP) HOUSTON -- The defense in Andrea Yates' murder trial rested Tuesday after her best friend tearfully told jurors that the woman who drowned her five children in the bathtub "misses them terribly."

Debbie A. Holmes, who met Yates about 20 years ago when both were nurses at the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, said she still visits Yates and writes her letters.

Yates, 42, is being retried in her children's 2001 bathtub drowning deaths because her capital murder conviction was overturned by an appeals court that ruled erroneous testimony might have influenced the jury. She has again pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.

Her attorneys say she suffered from severe postpartum psychosis and did not know it was wrong to kill 7-year-old Noah, 5-year-old John, 3-year-old Paul, 2-year-old Luke and 6-month-old Mary.

Prosecutors began their rebuttal case Tuesday. They have said they plan to call Dr. Park Dietz, the psychiatrist whose testimony led to Yates' conviction being overturned.

Dietz, also a "Law & Order" television series consultant, told the first jury that in one episode of the crime drama a woman was acquitted by reason of insanity after drowning her children in a tub. He said the show aired before the Yates children died. But after her 2002 conviction, it was discovered no such episode existed.

Holmes testified that Yates was a sweet friend, dedicated nurse and loving mother, but that after the birth of her fourth son she turned into a "total zombie" who stared into space and couldn't finish sentences.

Holmes said she helped care for her friend's children in 1999 after Yates returned from a psychiatric hospital following two suicide attempts. Holmes said that a few months later she asked Yates why she had been so depressed.

"She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession," Holmes said.

Earlier Tuesday, prosecutors cross-examined a neuropsychologist who evaluated Yates about six months after the drownings.

Dr. George Ringholz said Yates recounted a hallucination she had after the birth of her first child.

"What she described was feeling a presence ... Satan ... telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah," Ringholz said.

Ringholz acknowledged that he did not perform certain tests to see if Yates was trying to make her mental illness appear worse, but he said other tests and safeguards as part of the extensive two-day evaluation indicated she was not faking. Ringholz diagnosed schizophrenia.

Ringholz said Yates was delusional the day of the drownings and did not know her actions were wrong, even though she called 911 and knew she would be arrested. Her delusion was that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan, he said.

"Delusions cannot be willed away," Ringholz said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: houston; religiousnut; richardpryor; yates

1 posted on 07/11/2006 6:53:10 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Ringholz said Yates was delusional the day of the drownings and did not know her actions were wrong, even though she called 911 and knew she would be arrested.

She met the Texas legal standard of sanity because of exactly that.

2 posted on 07/11/2006 6:55:32 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
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"Delusions cannot be willed away," Ringholz said."

I don't know if this is a true statement.
John Nash seemed to have accomplished this.
3 posted on 07/11/2006 6:58:40 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
...but he said other tests and safeguards as part of the extensive two-day evaluation indicated she was not faking.

And neither do I. She is in need of lifelong psychotherapy.
4 posted on 07/11/2006 7:01:33 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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She needs to be kept in an institution for the criminally insane. Not in a prison. I believe she is mentally ill.


5 posted on 07/11/2006 7:12:04 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: Reily
.....John Nash was a one in a million shot if you know anything about Psychiatric Disorders....plus he never willed them away....he accepted them and paid them no mind but they still occurred
6 posted on 07/11/2006 7:24:08 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Has anyone ever seen an explanation about why Dietz testified to the existence of a non-existent episode of Law & Order? And why, pray tell, would anyone want to hear testimony from him AGAIN, since he proved so completely unreliable in the first trial?

Personally, I think our legal system is not much saner than Andrea Yates. Why the he!! are Texas taxpayers footing the bill for not one, but TWO exhaustive beating-a-dead-horse trials seeking to determine if this utterly insane woman "meets the Texas legal definition of insanity"? Who the he!! CARES? She is obviously profoundly mentally ill and has been for many, many years, and is a danger to herself and others, and must never be let out of a secure psych hospital. The colossal amounts of money being spent on this idiotic debate over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, would be MUCH better spent on efforts to prevent such incidents.


7 posted on 07/11/2006 7:36:49 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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If he paid them no mind then they no longer effected him in any meaningful way. So effectively he did will them away !
I am not a psychiatrist nor do I play one on TV. I was just objecting to the statement that it couldn't be done. Nash did it, therefore in at least one case it could be done.
8 posted on 07/11/2006 7:41:34 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Dog Gone

Interesting how this shrink comes up with a completely different diagnosis than the physicians who were treating her just before the crime happened.


9 posted on 07/11/2006 8:14:46 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Reily
>"Delusions cannot be willed away," Ringholz said."

I don't know if this is a true statement.
John Nash seemed to have accomplished this."


Unless his statement was taken way out of context. I think he is wrong. Buddhism teaches that the root of all suffering is attachment and delusion. Buddhism also teaches that the mind can rise above delusion and attachment. Cat scans of the brains of Buddhist monks show they can make themselves happy at will. A psychiatrist of all people would believe that mind can be controlled. They just control the mind through medication.
10 posted on 07/11/2006 9:08:41 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

The defense has to do what it has to do. In this case, it's trying to confuse the jury. It's their only hope, because, by any objective understanding of the insanity standard in Texas, she was sane.


11 posted on 07/12/2006 5:34:03 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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It's their only hope, because, by any objective understanding of the insanity standard in Texas, she was sane.

Judging by the responses on here, there are a lot of women who will buy that line, any line, rather than believe in a toxic mother.

And neither do I. She is in need of lifelong psychotherapy.

She needs to be kept in an institution for the criminally insane. Not in a prison. I believe she is mentally ill.

Two cases in point.

12 posted on 07/12/2006 6:50:41 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To that, all I can say is that you can be mentally ill, and still not legally insane. Those are two different standards.


13 posted on 07/12/2006 7:21:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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