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Rove: Bush to veto DeGette bill (stem cell)
Denver Post ^ | 10 july 2006 | John Farrell

Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency if the Senate, as expected, passes legislation to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove said today.

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in a meeting with the editorial board of The Denver Post.

The U.S. House of Representatives has already passed the legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del. If the Senate approves the bill this month it would go to the president's desk.

(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; hr810; repubwaronscience; sciencehaters; stemcell; veto; vetoit
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Look at the baby, Looney.

Could you get that from the inside of your cheek?

(You've been successfully brainwashed by leftist education, haven't you?)

161 posted on 07/10/2006 8:06:34 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Stem cells from embryos that were never babies

Human beings at an early stage were killed to produce these stem cells. This violates fundamental morality and decency. No, they never had a chance to become full-term babies or children or grownups, but they were alive, they were human, and they would have been babies if they had not been killed before they had the chance.

162 posted on 07/10/2006 8:07:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ohioWfan
That baby was a frozen embryo

Source???? And even if it was a "frozen" embryo at one point, it is not a human being until it reaches the fetal stage of pregnancy.

That's God's law. And the penalty for thumbing your nose at it is severe. I would suggest you put some thought into that.

God is not relevant. I put no thought into a myth.

163 posted on 07/10/2006 8:08:46 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Cicero
and we got stuck with a bizarre mix of tax cuts for the rich combined with increased government spending.

A tax code thats even more complicated and loopholed.


Nothing on tort reform... Giveaways for ethanol instead of new refineries and drilling

A vast expansion of government....do I need to go on?
Besides for a commitment to social issues this administration does not have any commitment to any other principles of traditional conservatism.
164 posted on 07/10/2006 8:08:48 PM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
"An embryo is not human life that warrants protection."

A lunatic is not human life that warrants protection.

See how easy utilitarianism is?

I know how some of you far-right people think it is, but is no more "life" than a swab of cells from the inside of your cheek.

Ignorance is not a virtue Mr. Lunatic but if it were you would be one virtuous son of a gun.

165 posted on 07/10/2006 8:08:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Cicero
Human beings at an early stage were killed to produce these stem cells.

Another histrionic argument... an embryo is not "human life" that warrants protection. The fact that it can be frozen for 10 years proves it is not "life" but just a chemical glob of goo that has the potential for life.

166 posted on 07/10/2006 8:11:17 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Now I understand your fundamental indecency, and the lack of value you have for human life.

You deny the Creator, therefore you don't honor His creation.

No more to discuss until you meet the One who formed you in your mother's womb, and come to know His love for you.

You cannot possibly understand the meaning nor the value of life until you understand where it comes from and what it means.

btw, you can look up 'snowflake babies' yourself, if you want to know who they are, and who you want to destroy.

167 posted on 07/10/2006 8:12:48 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Blackirish
I'm a libertarian conservative and I can't understand the stiff arm social conservatives gave to what I believe are vital issues.

Not really, what you are is faux libertarian conservative wont to take my money when it suits your needs. But you're not alone, your type of pro abortion libertarian is legion. Of course there are libertarians who understand that the right to life is the preeminent right on the road to liberty, you're just not one of them.

168 posted on 07/10/2006 8:14:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07; Lunatic Fringe
Interesting how the LUNATIC 'accuses' his opponents on this forum because we are conservative.

I wonder if he has any cognitive dissonance about that, or if he even uses enough God-given brain cells to reach that level of thought.

169 posted on 07/10/2006 8:15:01 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan
Look at the baby, Looney. Could you get that from the inside of your cheek?

Science is proving that this is a possibility. "Life" is merely a chemical reaction in the right place at the right time.

An embryo, which is typical 2-8 cells, is not sanctioned life. A fetus is human life, an embryo is not.

170 posted on 07/10/2006 8:15:16 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Whatever makes you feel good, Lunatic.

You clearly learned well from your leftist teachers.

171 posted on 07/10/2006 8:16:57 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
And even if it was a "frozen" embryo at one point, it is not a human being until it reaches the fetal stage of pregnancy.

LOL, you're a clown. But at least now we all know that the embryo is a zebra until Mr Lunatic says it's a human being.

Look, the embryo is a human being at that stage of human beinghood. If you're for killing human beings at certain stages of life's continuum for utilitarian purposes at least have the balls to say that and then defend it.

The other crap you're spewing is nonsense with no basis in science. Lunatic tunes.

172 posted on 07/10/2006 8:18:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ohioWfan
Now I understand your fundamental indecency. You deny the Creator, therefore you don't honor His creation.

Now I understand YOUR indecency. Those who do not believe in your fairy tales cannot possibly believe that life is sacred? I do believe life is sacred, but an embryo is not human life until it forms into a fetus.

You are probably of the same ilk that roots for "nuking" North Korea while hypocritcally claiming that two cells is sacred human life that must be protected at all costs.

173 posted on 07/10/2006 8:20:31 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: jwalsh07

Liar.

Find a post where I was pro-abortion.
The best we can hope for is Roe V Wade to be overturned where it will be turned over to the states.

Cept for a few red states abortion will still be legal in all the major US population centers.

If thats the very best that can happen I'll focus on other issues along with abortion

...tax reform...tort reform...securing the border....vouchers...entitlement reform...deficit reduction...The WOT ...strict constitutionalists on the court...

There are some on the far right who seem to believe that these are non-issues until abortion is illegal...I won't sacrifice day to day good conservative governance until your goals are met.

I'm not waiting.


174 posted on 07/10/2006 8:21:56 PM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Cognitive dissonance, Lunatic.

Without God there IS no 'sacred.' You can't claim one thing without admitting the other.

You need to get yourself some fundamental education about what words mean before you embarrass yourself any further.

Enough arguing with a leftist for me. This is a conservative forum, and you ain't one.

Good bye, Looney. I suggest moveon.org if you want some fellowship with fellow 'believers.'

175 posted on 07/10/2006 8:24:50 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
You are probably of the same ilk that roots for "nuking" North Korea while hypocritcally claiming that two cells is sacred human life that must be protected at all costs.

Which makes your "ilk" evident. You favor killing the innocent who can't defend themselves while favoring the coddling of lunatic commies like Kim Jong Illllll.

Kim, is that you?

176 posted on 07/10/2006 8:24:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ohioWfan
Amen, Dear Ohio! I'm Thanking our Lord for this man!


177 posted on 07/10/2006 8:25:58 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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To: Kitty Mittens
Amen, Kitty. Amen!!

"For such a time as this."

178 posted on 07/10/2006 8:27:39 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: jwalsh07
I notice you provided no proof that the baby in the picture was a frozen embryo as you claimed. I will also note that while my posts that invloved name-calling were removed, somehow I suspect that yours will remain since you toe the line of mindless religious drivel.

My, how FR has changed over the years...

As far as a basis in science for my argument, why should I need to provide one when the only arguments provided by the religious right are that "God says it's life".

A human embryo is not human life that warrants protection. It is a blob of chemicals. It has no heart, no lungs, no brain, no nervous system, no nothing except proteins and DNA. And if your retort is that "DNA is life", then I submit that the destruction of ANY human cells is the destruction of life.

179 posted on 07/10/2006 8:28:05 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: Blackirish
Liar? :-}

Are you pro choice of pro life?

Do you oppose Bush vetoing this bill or not?

Simple questions. Do your best!

180 posted on 07/10/2006 8:28:14 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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