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Axing Sex, Swearing From Films Violates Copyright: Court
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Posted on 07/10/2006 8:14:23 AM PDT by steve-b

Deleting swearing, sex and violence from films on DVD or VHS violates copyright laws, a U.S. judge has ruled in a decision that could end controversial sanitizing done for some video-rental chains, cable services and the internet.

The ruling stemmed from a lawsuit brought by 16 U.S. directors — including Steven Spielberg, Robert Redford and Martin Scorsese — against three Utah-based companies that "scrub" films.

Judge Richard P. Matsch decreed on Thursday in Denver, Colo., that sanitizing movies to delete content that may offend some people is an "illegitimate business."

The judge also praised the motives of the Hollywood studios and directors behind the suit, ordering the companies that provide the service to hand over their inventories....

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: copyright; copyrightabuse; hollywood; lawsuit
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To: Stone Mountain
My understanding is that it's legal as long as that person doesn't try to distribute it. You can do what you want to your own copy of a movie, just like you can underline and strike out passages in a book you own. But you can't distribute that book or movie that you altered.

So if I mail my own copy of a DVD to these edit companies and they edit it for me (since I don't have the equipment at home) is that "distributing" it?

If I underline and strike out passages in a book I own can I sell it to a used-book store? Can they sell it to someone else? Is that "distribution"?

301 posted on 07/10/2006 11:21:46 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Lord_Baltar
If you are a professional DVD Author, I'm more than a little surprised that you would condone illegal duplication and illegal altering and distribution of DVDs

I didn't write that I am a professional DVD author. I wrote that I have authored a number of DVDs. There's a difference.

You entirely avoid the legal discussion by simply labelling each activity "illegal". I want to know why something should be illegal for one video format that is legal for another? I'm not denying that DVD copying may be illegal, but asking the larger question of why. If making a backup copy of a DVD is illegal simply because the industry created copy protection technology and said "No!", then I would argue that this is extremely bad law. It segregates the rights of artists based on the format of their product. Authors of the printed word are not similarly protected from having their work copied. Heck, they have copy machines right there in the library. But an artist who produces DVDs gets enhanced legal benefits that generate additional sales, since the technology itself creates an additional right for him.

If that's really the legal situation, then that's one screwed up set of laws.

302 posted on 07/10/2006 11:29:01 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn’t about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Hendrix

I don't think monetary damage is required, actually. Copyright also includes protection of the work as it is. Alterations are violations of the copyright.

For it to rise to the level of a violation, however, there must be distribution, and that's at the crux of this case and others. I believe in this case, the videos were rented out, which is a different thing.

If memory serves me correctly, and it usually does, there are cases of visual artists who have prevailed in cases where their art has been altered in some way by a gallery or museum that had purchased the artwork.

The courts have held that such alterations are a violation of copyright law and that the distribution is the public display of the artist's work.

Copyright law is very different from patent law. The intent in copyright law is to preserve the work of its author or artist from modification and duplication. Painting a fig leaf over a nude painting, then displaying that painting is a violation of copyright, since it is no longer the artist's work that is being displayed. Case law shows this to hold up.

A movie might well be treated in the same way...as a work of art, complete only if unmodified. Again, while the individual might escape notice, and might even rightfully alter the work, a third party cannot, especially if they are doing it for money.

I used to make my living as a writer for magazines. When I sold an article, it was under a contract that laid out my compensation and which rights had been purchased. The typical contract also allowed certain uses by other parties, but I would be compensated under the terms of my contract with the magazine publisher.

The publishers followed these terms, for the most part. However, on one occasion, I discovered that most of an article I had written appeared in a book by another author. I was not credited. It was pure plagiarism. I collected a tidy portion of the book's royalties. The funny thing was that the magazine publisher collected even more of the book's royalties, due to the revenue sharing terms of my contract with the magazine.

Copyright law is complex and very, very nit-picky.


303 posted on 07/10/2006 11:29:27 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: steve-b
Technologists someday will enable a plug-in controller solution that will allow users to have their dvd viewers automatically skip over items they do not wish to view and bleep out offensive words. This should avoid the derivative works argument. Perhaps the sync codes for movies for such a device to work could be downloaded from a web site for free --- which would be a good way to aggregate like minded users for targeted advertising.

I wonder...
304 posted on 07/10/2006 11:30:16 AM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: FreedomCalls

"If I underline and strike out passages in a book I own can I sell it to a used-book store? Can they sell it to someone else? Is that "distribution"?"

It is the same copy of the book, you see. The book is not copied onto new paper. That said, you'll find that underlines and strike-outs will pretty much guarantee that the used book store will not buy it in the first place.


305 posted on 07/10/2006 11:31:57 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Good post. I can certainly see the argument for rentals. To me that is a no brainer. However, if someone buys a DVD and pays to have it cleansed and does not show it to the public, that should be legal. If someone buys the DVD from a company that has already added this service to the DVD and it is not showed to the public, that should be legal too (even though it probably is not) because there is no practical difference between the buyer buying the DVD and having the DVD sanitized versus buying it with the service already in place. I admit that I did not read the case--only the article.
306 posted on 07/10/2006 11:34:54 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: steve-b

Hollywood is responsible for pizza with un-natural toppings. Hollywood is evil and must be punished.


307 posted on 07/10/2006 11:36:04 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Hendrix

"I should be able to buy the DVD with that service already added to it (end result is that I get a DVD that I purchased that is sanitized)."

Yes, you should, as long as that service has worked with the content owner and gotten the correct permissions. THAT is the pesky little detail that is missing here. You don't seem to think it should matter, but it does.


308 posted on 07/10/2006 11:37:12 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
"Yes, you should, as long as that service has worked with the content owner and gotten the correct permissions. THAT is the pesky little detail that is missing here. You don't seem to think it should matter, but it does."

It does only because the law is not logical in this area, as I have pointed out time and time again. If I can have a DVD sanitized by a company after I buy it, there is no distinction for having that done before I buy it. That is pure logic and if the law is not logical, then it has no merit. There should not be any permission needed from the content owner because there is not distinction for a buyer doing it versus having it done before purchase. It is a meaningless distinciton.
309 posted on 07/10/2006 11:41:02 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: FreedomCalls

"If I underline and strike out passages in a book I own can I sell it to a used-book store? Can they sell it to someone else? Is that "distribution"?"

The local library branch in my old town had a problem with a guy who would check out books, black out stuff he didn't like, then return them. It took a while before they were able to pin it on him. He had done it to hundreds of books over a period of time.

He got to spend six months in the county slammer, and got to buy new copies of every defaced book.

I guess he was trying to protect the other patrons from whatever it was he didn't like.

Funny!


310 posted on 07/10/2006 11:41:45 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan

I think I know that guy! Our church had a big used book sale, and a guy was wandering around, marking books like that and then not buying them. Well, he did end up buying them once we nabbed him. ;)


311 posted on 07/10/2006 11:44:11 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: FreedomCalls
So if I mail my own copy of a DVD to these edit companies and they edit it for me (since I don't have the equipment at home) is that "distributing" it?

Nope. My understanding is that it would be fine.

If I underline and strike out passages in a book I own can I sell it to a used-book store? Can they sell it to someone else? Is that "distribution"?

Ooh good question. I'm not sure how copyright law works vis-a-vis used books. i am sure, however, that if you made copies of that book and tried to distribute it, edited or not, that it wouldn't be allowed.
312 posted on 07/10/2006 11:44:33 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: antiRepublicrat

Every video I see prohibits public exhibition and leasing/ renting of videos.

WHO grants these licenses to "rent" dvds?

There is no such license. Not every video manufacturer is a member of the MPAA, RIAA, etc. Yet they all have the same warning.

There is no universal agent representing all filmmakers.

And in the case of Baltimore, the films were cut for exhibition there (John Waters had to deal with the censorship board cutting his films before their hometown premiere). The film played in the uncensored form in other markets.


313 posted on 07/10/2006 11:45:20 AM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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To: Hendrix
there is no practical distinciton for buying it with the service already done to it.

I guess this is where we disagree. There is a distinction, and I think MM expressed it well.
314 posted on 07/10/2006 11:45:51 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Hendrix
By the way, my bet is that if there is technology that will sanitize DVDs (i.e., on the DVD player), Hollywood would lobby congress to block it even though a buyer of a DVD has the right to alter the DVD for his or her own use.
315 posted on 07/10/2006 11:46:31 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Stone Mountain
"I guess this is where we disagree. There is a distinction, and I think MM expressed it well."

MM has only pointed out the legal distinction, and as I pointed out the legal distinction does not have any logic because there is no practical distinction. If you cannot see that, then you don't have very strong logical skills.
316 posted on 07/10/2006 11:49:42 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
If you cannot see that, then you don't have very strong logical skills.

Sorry, I see a clear distinction. if you cannot see that, then you don't have very strong logical skills. See how worthless an ad hominem statement is?
317 posted on 07/10/2006 11:51:43 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
Sorry, I see a clear distinction.

Let's see your distinction. You state conclusions with nothing to back it up. Again, this is pure simple logic: If I can buy a DVD and pay a company to sanitize it, there is no practical distinction for me buying it from the company with the DVD already sanitized. The end result is the same: I buy a DVD that is sanitized. Ad hominem is when I attack you because I don't have an argument. I did just the opposite.
318 posted on 07/10/2006 11:57:05 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
Ad hominem is when I attack you because I don't have an argument.

Wrong. Ad hominem is attacking your opponent personally rather than his argument. When you say "If you cannot see that, then you don't have very strong logical skills," that's ad hominem. Glad to help you.

simple logic: If I can buy a DVD and pay a company to sanitize it, there is no practical distinction for me buying it from the company with the DVD already sanitized. The end result is the same: I buy a DVD that is sanitized.

No. You have bought a dvd. You altered it on your own. I see that as fundamentally different than buying a dvd that was altered by a company for resale. You don't have to agree with me, but insulting my logical skills is clearly ad hominem and adds nothing to the discussion.
319 posted on 07/10/2006 12:06:33 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Hendrix

By the way, my bet is that if there is technology that will sanitize DVDs (i.e., on the DVD player), Hollywood would lobby congress to block it even though a buyer of a DVD has the right to alter the DVD for his or her own use.




Probably not because it increase their market and adds value to their product.


320 posted on 07/10/2006 12:10:44 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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