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UN guns meeting ends in disarray
The Toronto Star ^ | 07-09-06 | OLIVIA WARD

Posted on 07/09/2006 3:16:53 PM PDT by lrb111

As a major UN conference to tighten rules for combating the illicit gun trade ended yesterday in disarray, Canada tried to build momentum for a new gathering that would speed up international control of the weapons.

"This was total meltdown," said Anthea Lawson, spokesperson for the International Action Network on Small Arms. "Seldom have diplomats worked so hard for so few results. They've squandered an opportunity to save thousands of lives."

The conference, a five-year review of the UN's 2001 program of action to eradicate the illegal arms trade, was attended by envoys from dozens of countries. But after two weeks of talks, the devil remained in the details.

The conference was held behind closed doors, and diplomats refused to speak to the media. But a leaked copy of Canada's proposal — supported by a number of states — called for a one-week meeting to be held in Geneva in 2007.

It would focus on a set of global principles to govern the transfer of all small arms and light weapons, and develop a strategy to mobilize enough resources to put the 2001 plan of action into effect in countries that lack the money and trained personnel to do so. As well, it would look for ways to reduce the demand for guns used by criminals and militias that routinely violate human rights.

Those are some of the topics gun control advocates hoped would be endorsed at the UN meeting.

But a glance at the documents delegates laboured over for days shows that countries crossed out so many suggestions that the results appear to be weaker than in 2001.

After the meeting, exhausted delegates, many of them looking dejected, strolled through the corridors puzzling over why the meeting went so wrong.

While some muttered that the United States' hard line on gun ownership and international regulation of ammunition was largely to blame, others said that many countries objected to clauses that would restrict their ability to buy or sell small arms.

But Sri Lankan Ambassador Prasad Kariyawasam, president of the conference, said he didn't consider the meeting a failure. "It ended without a final document, but a lot of work was done and there was a sense of collective will that we will see the program of action implemented," he said.

It would have been worse, he said, if the conference produced a document that rolled back some of the program, as it appeared to be doing earlier in the week.

The UN program, while voluntary, has sparked tighter laws in many countries.

"The program of action is still in effect and it will continue," Kariyawasam said. "It's unfortunate that there were differences about how to handle the issues."

The U.S. opposed a further UN review meeting. And it is unlikely to support Canada's proposal for a parallel conference in Geneva. The National Rifle Association, which attacked the conference as an infringement on American constitutional rights, also condemned efforts to continue the talks.

Canada, which helped push through a land-mine treaty at a 1999 Ottawa meeting, said in its statement that the international community "must do everything in its power to stop the carnage wrought by the proliferation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, while respecting the legitimate interests of lawful firearms producers, exporters, retailers and users."

But, it said, the Geneva meeting would be funded on a "voluntary basis" and take place only if countries anted up. The plan was hailed by European delegates.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; bloat; bolton; fmcdh; iansa; johnbolton; rkba; unitednations
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To: lrb111
But a glance at the documents delegates laboured over for days shows that countries crossed out so many suggestions that the results appear to be weaker than in 2001.

After the meeting, exhausted delegates, many of them looking dejected, strolled through the corridors puzzling over why the meeting went so wrong.

Perhaps its that the UN doesn't have the right to impose its ideas on sovereign nations?

21 posted on 07/09/2006 4:42:26 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife
Perhaps its that the UN doesn't have the right to impose its ideas on sovereign nations?

Nawww, that thought never entered their heads.

22 posted on 07/09/2006 4:45:53 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: lrb111

"The U.S. opposed a further UN review meeting."

Good.


23 posted on 07/09/2006 4:46:03 PM PDT by karnage
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To: BenLurkin

You know... We lost a lot of good soldiers in Somalia during the Blackhawk Down situation. The UN stood by like the cowards they are and refused to come in to help our guys. We lost a lot of good men during that operation.

The UN sent observers in to the Congo as "peace keepers" yet, stood by and watched as defenseless tribes were slaughtered. Oh, and the UN had made sure that the weapons that were being smuggled into the area for those tribes never made it.

The UN is a dangerous organization and one that should be disbanded immediately. If the UN wants to come take my guns, go for it. Blue helmets make damn fine targets and I'm a pretty decent shot.

Mike


24 posted on 07/09/2006 4:46:10 PM PDT by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: pbrown
The UN is a professional "Whining" society that allows members to live high on the hog while whining about how bad they feel that people are suffering and not enlightened like themselves
25 posted on 07/09/2006 4:51:56 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: lrb111

The US delegation probably should have worked harder so the meeting would have 'results'. In 1-2 months, ask congress to ratify the results. Those who vote for ratification can be thrown out of the US Congress.


26 posted on 07/09/2006 4:52:26 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: lrb111
After the meeting, exhausted delegates, many of them looking dejected, strolled through the corridors puzzling over why the meeting went so wrong.

Love that visual.

27 posted on 07/09/2006 4:56:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: pbrown
I picked up this package about a month ago.

I can recommend it.

It comes with everything you see here:

Check with your local dealer. I picked mine up, added a case of ammo, and got out of the store for less than $600.00.

L

28 posted on 07/09/2006 4:57:20 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: lrb111

"Seldom have diplomats worked so hard for so few results. They've squandered an opportunity to save thousands of lives."

We've seen how many lives are saved when only the governments have guns.


29 posted on 07/09/2006 4:59:00 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: lrb111

THE UN IS STACKED WITH COMPLETE ***MORONS*** EXCEPT FOR JOHN BOLTON...


30 posted on 07/09/2006 5:03:02 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: pbrown
Kofi Annan and his gang may go on about the evils of available weapons, but his own security detail was busted for carrying submachine guns around in cars...in NYC!

Just as with every other liberal/socialist/globalist cause, the ones who complain the loudest think they are exempt from their own principles.

31 posted on 07/09/2006 5:03:02 PM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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To: Lurker
Nice. ...congrats.

Some fine weapons on that site. ...at good deals.

32 posted on 07/09/2006 5:07:12 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Lurker
My son's has all that but the carrying case and the cylinder thing. What is that?

He got his for $450. His was made in Romania.

His is a darker grain of wood too. If I can get my sorry camera to work, I'll post it.

I like AK's.

33 posted on 07/09/2006 5:13:20 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The AK isn't going to win any shooting contests but it's a fine plinker.

That site does seem to have some good stuff at very reasonable prices. Fortunately for me my dealer had that very package in stock for $40.00 less than the price on the website.

I had 'em toss in a case of that Wolf ammo and still got out of the story without blowing a months pay.

Not bad if you ask me.

Next on the wish list is one of these:

I've got clearance from Lurker Control, now I just gotta figure out how to pay for it.

L

34 posted on 07/09/2006 5:14:50 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: Firefigher NC
Glad they can't get the ball rolling on this. The UN is evil and terribly inefficient.

If the UN bureaucrats could figure how to skim money out of gun control; a UN gun control treaty would be enacted.

The Oil for Food program revealed the modus operandi - fraudulent contracts and payoffs.
Peace keeping operations are an opportunity for fraudulent contracts and payoffs.
Kyoto Treaty allows nations to sell "carbon rights" (nothing) for cash. Nice scam!.
UNICEF? No financial transparency means fraudulent contracts and payoffs.
AIDS programs? Opportunity knocks - fraudulent contracts and payoffs.
Open the UN books. Prosecute the crooks.

35 posted on 07/09/2006 5:20:46 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Joe Brower

ping!


36 posted on 07/09/2006 5:24:34 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Aim small, miss small...." Benjamin Martin to Nathan and Samuel)
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To: pbrown
They small cylinder is the cleaning kit. Tell your son to open the little door in the stock and it should fall out pretty easy.

The flask looking thing is the oiler.

I told my dealer he could keep the case. I've got about 10 hardshells around the house so I didn't need another one looking for a home in the garage.

That package is the Romanian flavor. The wood furniture varies quite a bit from copy to copy so I understand.

I like AKs as well. But honestly if it goes bang and pushes something down a tube I'm pretty much a fan of it.

Get thee to a dealer and get one for yourself. Just think how cool it would be if you and your son had a matching set.

L

37 posted on 07/09/2006 5:24:59 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: lrb111
I think it would be morbidly funny if the headline read:

UN guns meeting ends in disarray - 2 Dead, 7 Wounded

38 posted on 07/09/2006 5:25:44 PM PDT by Begin (Mister, we could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.)
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To: Sender
the ones who complain the loudest think they are exempt from their own principles.

How right you are in that statement. Koffeekan can pound sand.

39 posted on 07/09/2006 5:29:39 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: lrb111

I'm guessing the guards at the UN building dont carry guns?


40 posted on 07/09/2006 5:30:00 PM PDT by isom35
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