Broken Borders: Broken Promises (Simcox-Minuteman)

ABC 15 Investigators ^ | 4/27/2006 | Staff

[Anti-Bubba182]

Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.

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[MikefromOhio]

And my name truly is MIKE, unlike you, who when I post your REAL NAME, you have the post removed.

I'm not afraid of someone knowing my true name there Eternally Ignorant.

And I will get to the bottom of this. Your post back to me just motivated me.

[MikefromOhio]

Oh and IF You cared to look, and you don't because it would blow away your little world, you'd notice that I am NOT on the side of the OBL, nor do I advocate anything of the sort.

It's YOU who lumped me in there and it's YOU who seem to not be able to EVER answer a question.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Three things happens if he actually builds the stupid fence:

• He's out of a job.
• He's proven wrong because the fence doesn't work.
• His funds dry up.

He will never build the fence. What he needs now, is someone to blame for the fence not being built.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Some say we should pass (another) enforcement-only bill and leave for later talk of a new temporary worker program. The problem is that those who say we should not permit more people to work on legal temporary visas until we "control the border" have it backwards: The only proven way to control the border is to open up paths to legal entry, allowing the market to succeed where law enforcement alone has failed.

Beginning in 1942, the Bracero Program allowed Mexican farm workers to be employed as seasonal contract labor. Despite these legal admissions, limited enforcement and other factors provided little deterrent to illegal entry until 1954.

That is when a controversial crackdown on illegal immigration ensued. Importantly, Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner Joseph Swing preceded the crackdown by working with growers to replace an illegal, and therefore unpredictable, source of labor with a legal, regulated labor supply. The workers, being rational, preferred entering legally, and Mr. Swing received praise for pushing the substitution of legal for illegal workers.

Bracero admissions rose from approximately 201,000 in 1953 to more than 430,000 a year between 1956 and 1959. The increased Bracero admissions produced dramatic results. Illegal entry, as measured by INS apprehensions at the border, fell by an astonishing 95 percent between 1953 and 1959. (Apprehensions fell to 45,336 in 1959, compared to more than 1 million in both 1954 and 2005).

However, complaints from unions led to the end of the program by 1964. What happened to illegal immigration after we stopped letting Mexican farm-workers enter legally? It skyrocketed. From 1964 to 1976, while the number of Border Patrol agents remained essentially constant, INS apprehensions of those entering illegally increased more than 1,000 percent. -- Source

[PRND21]

He will never build the fence. What he needs now, is someone to blame for the fence not being built.

Lack of cheap labor?

[Luis Gonzalez]

In The Impact of Agricultural Guest Worker Programs on Illegal Immigration, the report explains how in varying forms from 1942-1964, the bracero program allowed the admission of Mexican farm workers to be employed as seasonal contract labor for U.S. growers and farmers. Although facilitating legal entry for agricultural work proved effective, today, the idea of allowing regulated, legal entry that employs market principles to fulfill labor demand otherwise filled by individuals entering illegally is considered, depending on one’s viewpoint, either novel, radical, or bold.

The report finds that “By providing a legal path to entry for Mexican farm workers the bracero program significantly reduced illegal immigration. The end of the bracero program in 1964 (and its curtailment in 1960) saw the beginning of the increases in illegal immigration that we see up to the present day.”

It is recognized that the number of INS apprehensions are an important indicator of the illegal flow and that, in general, apprehension numbers drop when the flow of illegal immigration decreases. From 1964 -- when the bracero program ended -- to 1976, INS apprehensions increased from 86,597 to 875,915 – a more than 1,000 percent increase, indicating a significant rise in illegal immigration. The report found that “Additional factors in illegal immigration rising during this period included economic conditions in Mexico and the lack of a useable temporary visa category for lesser skilled non-agricultural jobs.”

“This is not to say that the bracero program was without controversy or that workers who entered through the program did not experience problems or even hardships,” says Anderson. “The point is that when lawful temporary admissions were prevalent, illegal entry to the United States was low. After the program was curtailed and later terminated, illegal immigration rose steadily.” The report notes that “No one advocates resurrecting the bracero program in its various forms. Yet a revised H-2A visa category that meets the needs of both employers and employees would make a significant contribution to reducing illegal immigration in agriculture. “

The report also concludes:

• The data show that after the 1954 enforcement actions were combined with an increase in the use of the bracero program, INS apprehensions fell from the 1953 level of 885,587 to as low as 45,336 in 1959 – indicating, based on apprehensions data, a 95 percent reduction in the flow of illegal immigration into the United States. During that time, the annual number of Mexican farm workers legally admitted more than doubled from 201,380 in 1953 to an average of 437,937 for the years 1956-1959.
  
  
• “Without question the bracero program was . . . instrumental in ending the illegal alien problem of the mid-1940’s and 1950’s,” wrote the Congressional Research Service in a 1980 report.
  
  
• In the 1950s and 1960s, senior law enforcement officials in the U.S. Border Patrol and elsewhere in the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) understood and promoted the use of market forces to reduce illegal immigration and control the Southwest border. A February 1958 Border Patrol document from the El Centro (California) district states, “Should Public Law 78 be repealed or a restriction placed on the number of braceros allowed to enter the United States, we can look forward to a large increase in the number of illegal alien entrants into the United States.”
  
  
• When at a Congressional hearing in the 1950s, a top INS official was asked what would happen to illegal immigration if the bracero program ended, he replied, “We can’t do the impossible, Mr. Congressman.”
  
  
• The evidence indicates that a reasonable enforcement deterrent at the border is necessary to enable a temporary worker program such as the bracero program to reduce illegal entry. Yet the evidence is also clear that enforcement alone has not proven effective in reducing illegal immigration. INS enforcement did not grow weaker after the 1960 curtailing of the bracero program or after the program’s subsequent demise in December 1964. And both after 1960 and 1964, without the legal safety valve that the bracero program represented, illegal immigration increased substantially.
  
  
• The current temporary worker visa category for agriculture, which U.S. employers consider burdensome and litigation-prone, fails to attract a sufficient number of participants to be part of the solution to illegal migration,” Anderson concludes. “While the bracero program has been criticized, that does not mean that it is impossible to devise a temporary worker program that takes into account the needs of both workers and employers. That would reduce illegal immigration by providing legal, market-based alternatives to the illegal entry that we see today on the Southwest border of the United States.”

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[Luis Gonzalez]

HEY!!!!!

[Texasforever]

After reading the court transcripts of the phone calls between Simcox and his son would you let Simcox be alone with your kids?

[Lurker]

Did you find that Federal Statute you said existed?

I'm still waiting....

L

[Texasforever]

You did notice that Simcox has given up all pretense of building the Booby trap fence didn't you?

[Lurker]

I've noticed you haven't answered my question.

Did you find that Federal Statute you said existed?

L

[BigSkyFreeper]

The fence won't get built, and when it's all said and done he'll be $55 million dollars richer because he's got everyone's numbers.

Biggest shell game I've ever seen.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Bears repeating:

 

Posted by JeanS to pollyannaish
On News/Activism 07/11/2006 9:11:40 PM MDT · 1,685 of 2,252

"Anyone idiotic enough to morgage [sic] their house for the Minuteman Project deserves to lose it. Sheesh."

[Texasforever]

>Iteresting cast of characters on this sterring committee
This is from a Renew America thread moderated by CAL

Apparently there are people who are working on uniting the various groups that are fighting against illegal migration, amnesty etc.

I have been invited to participate in this:

Quote:

Secure Borders Coalition Conference Call

Hosted by Steering Committee Members: Don Feder, Phyllis Schlafly, Richard Viguerie, Mike Valerio, Alan Keyes, and Howard Phillips

TOMORROW—July 6, 2006

4:00 pm, EST

So far, this is the only information I have. I'll report back after the meeting and let everyone know how it went.

I think it's encouraging that efforts are being made to bring some kind of unity to the various groups involved in this battle. From the very beginning, we at Alamo Alliance have felt that, even though we have our own ideas and our own strategy for promoting our cause, it doesn't conflict with what other groups are doing and the success of other groups compliments our efforts, not threatens them. It's a shame that ABP and a few other people don't feel that way. I think if you are going to work on a cause like this you have to put your ego aside and concentrate on the cause.

[Lurker]

Lots of time to monitor other forums, but no time to peruse the US Code to come up with that Federal Law you said prevents folks from building fences on their own property.

Is that right next to the Pence Bill?

L

[EternalVigilance]

And I will get to the bottom of this. Your post back to me just motivated me.

Amazing how you and your friends keep referring to something without naming it. What is the "this" in your post?

[Texasforever]

Would you leave your kids alone with Simcox?

[EternalVigilance]

Still shilling for Morris Dees, I see.

[Texasforever]

Nope Just asking you based on Court documents would you leave your kids alone with Simcox?

[EternalVigilance]

I wouldn't leave them alone with you.