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Giuliani's Convictions Could Win Over Republicans
DMN/ vis Real Clear Politics ^ | July 7, 2006 | Mark Davis

Posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:14 AM PDT by chiller

Twenty-eight months to go, and I can't wait.

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Since Condi insists she isn't interested - and for the moment I believe her - speculation ranges from base-pleasing Republicans like Sens. Bill Frist, Sam Brownback and my current favorite, George Allen, to the intriguing prospects of envelope-pushers like John McCain and Rudy Giuliani.

And these two intriguing figures constitute my point of the day. There are two things I have stopped saying: first, Mr. McCain can't win, and second, Rudy won't run.

I still don't believe Mr. McCain will be the '08 nominee, but his loyal support for the war has healed some distaste that the GOP base has had for him since he challenged Mr. Bush six years ago. His disconnect with many Republicans on overhauling campaign finance is still an anvil around his prospects, but I can no longer write him off.

As for Mr. Giuliani, I used to say that he won't run and couldn't win if he did. The gay-friendly, abortion-rights-supporting ex-New York mayor whose legacy includes an embrace of gun control? It would seem highly unlikely.

Unless you were in a room with me at the Hotel Crescent Court last month as the Dallas County Republican Party welcomed Mr. Giuliani to a fundraiser also heralding local congressional candidates.

I served as master of ceremonies, and there was a thoroughly polite welcome for the GOP primary survivors who will try to unseat Reps. Eddie Bernice Johnson and Chet Edwards.

But it was Mr. Giuliani who put a room of Reagan-loving red-staters into a positive swoon.

He did it with steadfast support for the Bush war doctrine, coupled with a passion for tight borders that even the still-admired incumbent cannot muster. He did it with strong fiscal conservatism, another Bush weakness. And he did it with a passionate pitch for school choice, an issue Republicans have neglected - mysteriously, since scads of Republicans and Democrats want it.

His content was great. His style was even better. His sharp wit and off-the-cuff comfort are miles beyond the average glazed, scripted politician. He sports a good-natured partisan streak that puts him a head above Mr. McCain, who seems to gag on any sentence suggesting that a Democrat might be wrong.

This is not my prediction that Mr. Giuliani's hand will rest on a Bible at the swearing-in on Jan. 20, 2009. But the Bible-embracing core of the GOP shows a willingness to consider him as he includes evangelical groups in his curious tour of various Republican constituencies.

He will not launch a national gun grab, leaving gun statutes to the cities. He will not push for nationwide gay marriage, happy to leave those decisions to the states, where the Constitution says they belong. He will not pound the bully pulpit for affirmative action, leaving that to the courts.

And speaking of the courts, he speaks glowingly of Mr. Bush's Supreme Court selections, Samuel Alito and John Roberts, suggesting he does not necessarily dream of packing the court with sure-fire abortion-rights opponents.

Throw in the tasty imagery of the Mayor of America wiping the debate stage floor with Mrs. Clinton or virtually anyone else, and it's the kind of thing to make a Republican heart quicken.

I don't know yet whether I can be a Rudy voter, but I'd enjoy watching him try to make me one.

Mark Davis is a columnist for the Dallas Morning News. The Mark Davis Show is heard weekdays nationwide on the ABC Radio Network. His e-mail address is mdavis@wbap.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
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To: LiveFree99; Liz

The Rockefeller/Ford faction of the G.O.P. is alive 'n kickin'.


101 posted on 07/07/2006 9:01:43 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla
..... when a Rudyophile is asked for specific accounts to back up these wild claims they suddenly become silent.....

As you yourself insightfully posted----all he has to do is tell non-NYC residents out on the campaign trail: " Just vote for me, if you lived in New York City when I was mayor you'd understand why!"

(Poster laughs uproariously).

102 posted on 07/07/2006 9:01:43 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Jameison
In case you haven't noticed this over the years, Republicans have much higher standards when it comes to this kind of thing. Many attributes that would utterly disqualify a Republican candidate in the eyes of conservatives are actually REQUIRED in Democratic candidates.

There's nothing wrong with this, of course -- despite how inconvenient it can often be. This is exactly how people with solid moral/ethical principles approach their duties as citizens. If the Republican Party wants to appeal to voters with solid moral/ethical principles, then they'll promote candidates who appeal to people with solid moral/ethical principles. The Democrats long ago gave up the notion that they have any interest in this kind of voter.

103 posted on 07/07/2006 9:01:59 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: chiller
Rudy would be fine with me if he simply supported abortion in the early stages only. But he has also been on record as opposing the ban on partial-birth abortion.

And consider that the nominee usually determines the course of the party. If Rudy wins, the RNC becomes pro-choice and pro-lifers are left without a party.

For those reasons, I just couldn't support Rudy.
104 posted on 07/07/2006 9:04:01 AM PDT by AVNevis (www.cahsconservative.blogspot.com Great Political Discussion from the eyes of a High School Student)
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To: jla

Why?


105 posted on 07/07/2006 9:04:35 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: zook

Rudy is far preferable to any and all dems.


106 posted on 07/07/2006 9:04:39 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: Blackirish
>>Rudy has consistently led in all polling even with evangelicals.<<

Do you really think that will continue when his pro-choice position is made to be front and center?

I don't doubt he is electable as President -but that doesn't mean conservatives should support his nomination.
107 posted on 07/07/2006 9:05:32 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: chiller

If Rudy is nominated FreeRepublic will implode!


108 posted on 07/07/2006 9:05:37 AM PDT by zarf (Italian Kid: My father can beat up your father! Jewish Kid: Big deal, so can my mother!)
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To: chiller
Throw in the tasty imagery of the Mayor of America wiping the debate stage floor with Mrs. Clinton or virtually anyone else, and it's the kind of thing to make a Republican heart quicken.

I have spare body parts I'd give to witness this.
109 posted on 07/07/2006 9:06:10 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: AVNevis
Early stage abortion is murder just like late term abortion.
110 posted on 07/07/2006 9:06:57 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: jla
But you have no problem supporting a former mayor?

I once supported a former actor. So what?

Of course most mayors have no national profile and could not be taken seriously if they ran for POTUS. Rudy is not most mayors.

Rudi Giuliani is well-known by people who don't closely follow politics as well as those who do. So is McCain.

Most people have no idea who Brownback is and think George Allen is a former Redskins coach who got beat by Shula in Super Bowl V. The Conservative candidates people talk up are simply not that well known. It will be difficult for an unknown to build up a grass roots organization AND raise a lot of money. That's just a basic reality of Presidential politics.

111 posted on 07/07/2006 9:08:20 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: jla
"It amazes me still how the Rudyophiles persist in promoting their guy as a 'proven leader', who will 'be tough on terrorism ...................yet when a Rudyophile is asked for specific accounts to back up these wild claims they suddenly become silent"

"Wild claims"?
Rudy is one of the best mayors New York has ever had, with a very solid record of achievements, including his very tough fight against crime that resulted in huge reductions in murders and crimes of every kind.
Even before he became mayor he took and the mafia, and put many of them away.
He is a proven leader alright.
Something you can't say about Hitlery or McCain for that matter.
112 posted on 07/07/2006 9:08:41 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Liz
If not for 9/11, would Guiliani be as revered as he is today?

If not for WWII, Eisenhower would never have been President.

Even without 9/11, Giuliani performed a miracle in NYC. (Today his detractors minimize that it was a miracle, but all you need do is research articles about ungovernable NYC prior to Giuliani). How many candidates for Office have performed positive miracles when given the chance?

113 posted on 07/07/2006 9:09:25 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: Sabramerican
None of those issues involved Rudy Giuliani taking a principled stand. "Supportin Israel" and throwing Yassir Arafat out of Lincoln Center (when you are the mayor of a city with one of the largest Jewish populations in the world), and rejecting a Saudi donation in the aftermath of 9/11 (when the city is awash in billions of dollars in Federal money anyway) are not principled stands . . . they are nothing more than meaningless gestures that can more accurately be described as political grandstanding.

Not to mention is you remember that he was almost a victim of 9/11 and watched close friends die.

Right. Will Rudy Giuliani stand up today and explain to us who came up with the brilliant idea to build an emergency response center in the basement of a building that had long been identified as a terrorist target?

114 posted on 07/07/2006 9:10:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: jla; You Dirty Rats

YDR: The conservative names bandied about are all, nationally, lightweights.

jla: But you have no problem supporting a former mayor?

Hey, lets be fair, Rudy has Washington experience - he was on the staff of some deputy up there and then had an associate position for a couple of years.


115 posted on 07/07/2006 9:12:00 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: tkathy
"Rudy is far preferable to any and all dems."

So is a dead skunk!

Because Demonrats are stupid we should follow suit?
116 posted on 07/07/2006 9:12:31 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: zarf
If Rudy is nominated FreeRepublic will implode!

Horse Hockey. Vigorous debate is what makes this site great. The Mods will show those who can't debate cleanly the door, and Free Republic will become stronger.

Unlike DU, people here actually think for themselves and don't march in lockstep with anyone. Differences of opinion are perfectly OK.

117 posted on 07/07/2006 9:12:31 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Liz; Sabramerican
" Just vote for me, if you lived in New York City when I was mayor you'd understand why!"

Hat tip to Sabramerican.


(Poster joins Liz in laughing uproariously)

118 posted on 07/07/2006 9:13:11 AM PDT by jla
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To: gondramB
Do you really think that will continue when his pro-choice position is made to be front and center?

RUDY'S POSTITIONS HAVE BEEN FRONT AND CENTER FOR YEARS! If any Evangelical doesn't know what Rudy is and where he comes from then they need to learn to read a newspaper! Rudy polls higher with evangelicals than any other candidate! He polls higher in the Southern states like Georgia than any Republican/Conservative candidate. Rudy will get the vote and will win.

119 posted on 07/07/2006 9:15:14 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: You Dirty Rats
What debate? Wrestler
120 posted on 07/07/2006 9:16:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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