Posted on 07/05/2006 11:04:52 AM PDT by theworkersarefew
1. Pass HR 4437
HR 4437 is the House Border security bill that was passed last December. It secures our border and issues tough new fines and sanctions against employers hiring illegal aliens. HR 4437 must be passed. The Pence plan is the only way to do that. The Senate simply will not vote on HR 4437 as it stands. Pence’s plan would force them to vote on it totally intact. Sadly, politics, particularly in the Senate, dictates that Pence’s plan is the only viable option. Politically, this is the only play for conservatives who want to solve the problem.
2. The border will be secured
Enough said. HR 4437 will help secure our Southern border and stop the incursion on our Southern border. “A Nation without Borders is not a nation” and that is why HR 4437 must be passed by the Senate.
3. Interior laws will be enforced
Pence’s plan will put strict new fines and penalties against employers hiring illegals as well as enforcing old ones. Offenders will face huge fines, loss of license and even prison if they violate Federal law. Pence envisions that around the third year that NO employer will risk prosecution when it will be so easy and cheap to hire legal Guest Workers. This will dry up illegal jobs.
4. NO path to citizenship will be granted
A great part of Pence’s plan is that it will not reward any of the 10 to 12 million illegal aliens who broke the law with a path to citizenship. Should an illegal alien return home and then be eligible for a guest worker card then he would have to learn English if he wants a renewal after two years. After six years if he wants to stay in the United States he would have to enter a separate and unrelated process of permanent immigrant status or citizenship. He would have to do so at the end of the line. His Guest Worker status would end after six years after which he would either go home or get in the back of the line for citizenship.
5. Anchor baby citizenship will end
Pence is a co sponsor of a separate provision to end anchor babies. Under the Pence plan a Guest Worker’s newborn child would have no citizenship rights to the United States. That baby would be a citizen of his\her home country rather than the U.S. where they would simply be a “guest.”
6. Removes all 10 to 12 million illegal aliens for United States
The Pence plan says that all illegal aliens in the United States must go home. Pence’s method is self deportation. Pence says self deportation will work in two ways. First being the new enforcement standards combined with the old existing enforcement standards. Employers simply will not be able to continue to hire illegal aliens without facing huge fines, loss of license, and\or prison. Jobs for illegals will dry up and they will go home because of that.
Second is the incentive to go home quickly and get right with the law. Pence predicts that the illegals will see that there will only be so many guest worker cards available and that staying here illegally is no longer viable. They will race home to get “right with the law” because no one wants to be late signing up when there are no slots available. Once we enforce both existing law and the new law, illegal jobs will dry up. Pence’s plan will end catch and release .Those who do not self deport will be deported immediately once they cause an interior infraction.
7. There will no longer be “undocumented workers”
After the three year initial implementation phase there simply will be no such thing as “undocumented workers.” At that point all of our guests will have proper fraud-proof documents (cards) or they will be sent home. Ending undocumented workers is a huge step.
8. Private Sector
The Pence plan uses the private sector without adding government bureaucracy. Pence uses private employment firms and uses private companies to issue the Guest worker cards which will be like your bank and credit cards, fraud proof. The Guest worker cards would be wallet sized like the cards endorsed by the President. Employers will swipe the cards to verify the Guest workers eligible status. Border patrol and Law enforcement will be able to swipe the cards and determine status. If a guest worker is fired or convicted of a crime the card will be cancelled terminating that guests legal status. Pence’s free market ideas will end government bureaucracy at zero cost to taxpayers.
9. Secures the border first.
Pence’s plan is great because it secures the border first. He realizes that this is the first step and all else comes after. We most stop the flow of illegals on our Southern border now. The President called for 6,000 more border patrol agents and the use of the National guard in the interim. Pence welcomes that call, but Pence says it is not enough. HR 4437 adds port of entry inspectors, ends catch and release, puts to use American technology and will build a barrier on at least 700 miles of our Southern border.
10. We will control our border
Pence provides the action plan that will bring a new day to our Southern border. Instead of “coyotes,” drug runners and felons ruling the border, The United States of America will control the border. Seal the border, send the illegals home, then we will get to decide who we let back in the country. We will know who is in our country. National Security, for one, dictates that we must do it now. After the three year mark we will be in a different situation regarding our border in America from where we are now. The border will be secure, the flow of illegals on our Southern border will be stopped. Most illegals will have self deported and either stayed home or come back legally to a temporary job. Those who are still here illegally should be small enough in number that law enforcement can and will pursue. Those illegals here will certainly be jobless because employers at this point wouldn’t be willing to face the risk associated with hiring illegals.
The one thing that is for sure in this tough debate is that the status quo is unacceptable. We simply cannot abide by two years of illegal immigrant flow into our country. We must seal the border now. HR 4437 is the only way to do that. We must pass HR 4437. The paleos say no bill is better than a bad bill. They are right. They say no bill is better than Pence’s bill. They are wrong. They say Pence has compromised. They are right. They say he has compromised law and order and advocated amnesty. They are dead wrong and they know it. The fact is Pence knows he would have to give up something to the Senate and that would have to be a guest worker program. So Pence came up with the most conservative guest worker program imaginable. They all have to go home and none will be on a path to citizenship. Some paleos call this Amnesty which proves they label everything they do not like amnesty. Paleos used to say they want HR 4437 passed, I am now not so sure. These people really want no bill at all and they want disaster in November.
Pence has admitted he has compromised on some points but he did not compromise on amnesty and his conservative principle. Where he did compromise is on the debate of whether we need a guest worker program at all and whether there are “jobs Americans will not do.” He surrendered these points to the guest worker lobby for strategic reasons knowing that a stalemate on the bill was imminent. That was unacceptable. Two more years of the status quo is unacceptable to Pence. Our sovereignty is in jeopardy as is our national Security. Pence also stepped up for reasons of patriotic loyalty to our nation. Pence knows that if our party does not keep its promise and secure our border then the American people simply will not re-elect Republican majorities in November. Pence knows what Democrat power and rule will mean to the War on terror. Pence knows that our party is divided and someone must step up and bridge the gap. Pence has stepped out on a limb by himself for all of us and we should be grateful. These are the selfless actions of a true statesman. Lord knows Pence doesn’t need this kind of slander and could have easily kicked the can down the road.
Is July 5th "Mike Pence Day" here at FR??
Is it just me, or are there an unusually high number of Pence threads today?
Otherwise, if those people born to guest workers grow up and have children--in the United States--will they also be noncitizens.
Although Mr. Pence's intentions could be proper, this particular concept of his is absurd and the real threat of leading to improper discrimination.
it seems as though Mr. Pence is a populist, or a demagogue.
hmmm,, Self-Deportation. eh?
That should be a good trick.
Pence has forced President Bush to the middle and Bush has Changed his mind on "a path to citizenshiP" Pence has moved Bush towards the House positition but not enough to make paleos happy.They are scared to death that Pence has been this effective already.The anti-Pence plan people are posting negative Pence ads so We are posting positive ones.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/7/5/124534.shtml
No, it's not just you. It's almost turning into spam. theworkersarefew and Gipper08 must have some kind of coordinated action going on.
We have not coordinated and where near the level as TOMBAY and Team America
Bush has changed his mind on nothing. Pence's plan gives him everything he wants, including the path to citizenship, as you well know. It has been pointed out to you many times now.
Or maybe he actually thinks it is a reasonable compromise given the circumstances. Of course what does someone from Indiana know about immigration. For 90% of this country, their lives do not revolve around the immigration issue.
Help me out here, people.
I missed the part about Federal, State or local welfare, health care or other "bennies" becoming instantly illegal for illegals in the immediate future...
What number is that?
If you keep repeating this lie often enough it will magically become true.
Sorry, Pence and Ted Kennedy can keep their amnesties.
This plan seals the border.That is good enough for me.
Corsi is late with his umpteenth article, so something has to fill the void.
This is not technically true, and it came up with respect to American Indians back many years ago. The Fourteenth Amendment states:
All persons born or naturalized in the U.S., and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the U.S. and the State wherein they reside.
Congress could clarify that children born to people illegaly in this country are not "subject to the jurisciction" of the United States. It is important that the anchor baby loophole be closed.
I wholeheartedly disagree. What other nation allows illegal immigrants to have children and then as a reward give citizenship and rights to the child? These children are not citizens by right of birth, they become citizens because of policy. This is a policy that encourages illegal immigration and results in failed emergency rooms across the nation and tens of billions in medical costs. It also results in a family situation wherein the parents are illegal immigrants and the children are citizens of the U.S.. Either the entire familial unit should become citizens, or none of them become citizens.
I missed it too, but I'm guessing that is the only thing that would actually bring about the "self-deportation" described in this proposed bill.
What's the bill number?
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