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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Wed July 5th, 2006
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Posted on 07/05/2006 8:53:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_063006/content/truth_detector.guest.html

The Supreme Court, Not President Bush, Overstepped Constitutional Authority

June 30, 2006

RUSH: Let me get into the deeper analysis of the Supreme Court decision by first sharing with you the details of an al-AP story. "The Supreme Court's rebuff of the Bush administration's Guantanamo military tribunals knocks the issue into the halls of Congress, where GOP leaders are already trying to figure out how to give the president the options he wants for dealing with suspected terror detainees. That way forward could be long and difficult." Exactly right. Why do you think one man was named commander-in-chief by the Founding Fathers in our Constitution, that man being the president? Because of exactly what is going to happen now.

You're going to have 435 congressmen and a hundred senators getting in on this and trying to come up with a law that allows the commander-in-chief to do what he needs to do in order to prosecute a war which... It's just absurd. It is standing the Constitution on its head, which the Supreme Court did. I've got two different analyses of this decision, and I'll tell you, folks, it's a little scary when you go through it. One of them is by John Armor. John Armor is in North Carolina. He practiced in the US Supreme Court over 30 years; he filed briefs in 18 cases. He's an educator and a scholar and his piece is entitled: "The Gitmo Prisoners Case: What the Supreme Court Really Did and How the Press Blew the Story."

The editors at National Review Online have also done a deep analysis of this decision. Let me start with Armor first. He says, "Reading the actual decisions, and there were six of them, reveals a different and more dangerous result," meaning what took place in the court. "To begin with, there was a unanimous Court decision, In Re Quirin in 1942, which upheld the military trials, convictions and in two cases executions, of eight German saboteurs who sneaked into the US from German submarines with plans and preparation to bomb various facilities... The majority Opinion by Justice Stevens, joined by Justices Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer, avoids that prior decision."

There is a 1942 Supreme Court decision unanimous that upheld the whole concept of military trials, military tribunals. This court, the majority of this Supreme Court said, to hell with that. "Justice Breyer filed a concurrence joined by justices Kennedy, Souter, and Ginsburg," and again you have to call into play the absence of Chief Justice Roberts who had to recuse himself. I don't know what it's called legally, but he couldn't participate in this because he was part of the DC Court of Appeals' unanimous decision upholding military trials. That three-judge decision had agree unanimously that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to Hamden for reasons clearly stated in the exceptions to the convention.

There are fighters that don't wear uniforms, or report to any military command structure. They do hide among civilian populations. "While the case was on appeal, Congress passed..." After Hamden was routinely dealt a severe low by the three-judge panel at the DC circuit, which one of the judges was the now Chief Justice Roberts, Congress, during the appeal, Congress passed a law in 2005 called the Detainee Treatment Act, which expressly excluded the jurisdiction of federal courts over, quote, an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the Department of Defense at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"On grounds of statutory construction, the majority of the Supreme Court yesterday decided that Congress didn't mean what it said in its 2005 law, and they refused to follow the withdrawal of jurisdiction and denied the government's motion to dismiss." Now, you could say that they just threw this law out. Technically that's not what happened. They just refused to give it retroactive effect, which is the same thing as throwing it out because all of these military commissions were started before the act was passed. It would be funny if it weren't so outrageous here. If you go to page seven and eight of the opinion from Justice Thomas, his dissent, you will find that he points out that the majority claims that the war started for legal purposes when the congressional act, the AUMF, was enacted on September 17th of 2001.

Meaning: that according to the majority, Kennedy and Souter, Stephens, Ginsburg, and Breyer, the 9/11 attacks are not part of the war on terror because the war on terror didn't start, for these justices, until September 17th of 2001. That would mean that Somalia, the Khobar Towers, the embassy bombings, and the Cole attack, you remember, are also not part of the war on terror. So it really is stunning when you learn what actually happened. They just threw out an act of -- well, they failed to make it retroactive to apply to the war on terror in its totality so, in essence, they threw it out, they just said it doesn't apply here, an act of Congress.

Imagine the majority looking at this act, the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, which expressly excluded the jurisdiction of federal courts, of which the Supreme Court is one, over an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the Department of Defense at Guantanamo Bay. They wrote a law specifically. They've already done it. Now they've gotta go back and do it all over again to satisfy the demands of the court. What the court's demanding Congress do, you could say essentially they already did in 2005, and they just threw it out. They just threw it out! I don't know how many people know this yet. (interruption)

I don't know. Snerdley says, "Where is Arlen Specter?" I don't expect to hear from him anyway. But the media has a template: "Bush overstepped; Bush lost," and they don't care what else is in this. To them it's just exciting that the court told Bush he can't do what he wants to do. Nobody's looking at this in the -- well, I'm not saying nobody, but nobody in the Drive-By Media is looking at this in a direct analysis of the decision. "In addition to this, the Supreme Court repairs to international law to support its conclusions about the application of American law and the Constitution. It said, 'Finally, international sources confirmed that the crime charged here is not a recognized violation of the law of war.' As observed above, none of the major treaties governing the law of war identifies conspiracy as a violation thereof."

Well, as the editors at National Review Online point out, this decision to impose by judicial fiat essentially a treaty that no politically accountable official would dare even propose is precisely what's happened here. We now have a treaty with Al-Qaeda, the US Supreme Court's established one. We're working here on an Al-Qaeda Bill of Rights. Now, Hamden doesn't get out of jail tomorrow. They're not closing Gitmo. We'll go through all that in due course. I'm just strictly talking here about the overreach. If anybody overstepped, if anybody overreached here, it is the five justices of the US Supreme Court who threw out (technically, it's not what happened, but it has the practical impact of being that, so I'm just going to stick with it).

They threw out a 2005 act of Congress. "This underscores a conclusion also missed in most of the press coverage that a properly crafted statute passed by Congress can restore the authority of President Bush to order military tribunals for all future defendants excepting Hamden, perhaps, himself." That's already been done, too. It's in the Constitution. The president is the commander-in-chief. But now he needs a properly crafted statute passed by Congress to restore the authority of the president to order military tribunals, which the Supreme Court in 1942 unanimously said were okay. They were used by FDR.

The dissents of Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas are especially powerful. The majority of the court here, folks, has thumbed its nose at both the Constitution and the Congress by refusing to obey the 2005 law withdrawing its jurisdiction, meaning the court's jurisdiction. Congress wrote a law saying that federal courts have no say in these prisoners at Guantanamo and the courts just threw that out, said, "Oh, yes, we do." The court is in effect saying, according to Mr. Armor, "We own the law, and neither the Congress nor the Constitution should control the actions of the court." That is a pretty good summation of what this decision ultimately meant yesterday.

RUSH: I want to share with you the National Review Online brief quick analysis of this Supreme Court decision yesterday. "To begin with, the Court had no business deciding this case at all. Not only did it target the president’s commander-in-chief authority to determine what is militarily necessary in wartime, it also imperiously slapped down the U.S. Congress. In last December’s Detainee Treatment Act (DTA), Congress ... rescinded the unprecedented jurisdiction that the Supreme Court, in the 2004 Rasul case, had tried claimed over alien enemy combatants captured in wartime and held outside the ... jurisdiction of U.S. courts. This Court, however, acknowledges no limits on its powers — whether imposed by Congress or by the English language, which it had to torture in order to construe the DTA's unambiguous limitation of its jurisdiction as an invitation to meddle."

Congress actually passes a law that takes all the federal courts out of this whole decision of military tribunals and other things for prisoners at Club Gitmo, and the Supreme Court, playing games with the dating of the beginning of the war and the meaning of the statute essentially said this doesn't apply to us. You've got a court that's out of control, you've got four libs and a moderate on the court that are out of control, not a president, pure and simple. Let's just wait and see. Outside of me, my compatriots, great minds like the editors at National Review Online and John Armor in North Carolina, let's see where else over the weekend you hear what you have just heard. It's plain as day right in the decision. Anybody can read it and find it. You have to not want to notice it; you have to want to ignore it in order to miss it.


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To: Bahbah

I certainly will...thanks on her behalf...


161 posted on 07/05/2006 10:18:19 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever! Stay with him on Immigration too! He Deserves our trust!)
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To: LibertyLee

L0L


162 posted on 07/05/2006 10:19:14 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: American Quilter; All

Liberals define ALL people as little kids with only them as having the ability to act wisely.


163 posted on 07/05/2006 10:19:55 AM PDT by olde north church (Note to Corzine: Segragate Illegal Alien Inmates, Don't Feed Them Unless Native Country Pays)
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To: MaestroLC
No way that Corzine escapes responsibility for this. He is not Clinton and doesn't bite his bottom lip talking about how hard he worked to keep this from happening.
164 posted on 07/05/2006 10:20:00 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (There are only a few absolute truths in life, everything else is just an opinion.)
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To: LibertyLee

Hmmm...What's the present?


165 posted on 07/05/2006 10:20:03 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: LibertyLee
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MRS. LIBERTYLEE!!!!

Lobster, after all these years, still can't figure out the big deal about it? Guess I don't have taste for the "Good Things"!!

NJ, sure it doesn't have enough money, close the moneymakers!!!

Just like Detroit, it doesn't have enough money, layoff police and firefighters!!
166 posted on 07/05/2006 10:20:50 AM PDT by Springman
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To: JustaCowgirl
In what way do you believe this has hurt the NYT or the media in general badly?

The NYT could justify some of it's earlier revelations by playing on the nations fear of domestic wiretapping, eavesdropping, or torture.

This story had none of that. It was a legal program, congress was fully briefed on it, it was effective, and it dealt exclusively with international wire transfers of funds. Even a doofus understands that this story only helped the NYT and terrorists.

Publishing this story was indefensible, and even political neophytes will begin to question NYT motives. That is the best thing that could happen. This puts them on the defensive, and on the airways trying to explain why they are not terror sympathizers.

167 posted on 07/05/2006 10:21:27 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Springman
The Mother-in-Law's potato dish made me sick, still haven't eaten yet!!

I'll bet that put a crimp in your Independence Day celebration.

168 posted on 07/05/2006 10:23:43 AM PDT by American Quilter (Equal laws protecting equal rights...the best guarantee of loyalty and love of country. -- Madison)
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To: olde north church; All

Just called Corzine's office, left a message with secretary, "Tell the jackass to open the state back up!"


169 posted on 07/05/2006 10:23:57 AM PDT by olde north church (Note to Corzine: Segragate Illegal Alien Inmates, Don't Feed Them Unless Native Country Pays)
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To: rightinthemiddle

New Jersey added 59,400 state and local-government jobs in the first half of this decade, even as private-sector employment was flat, a Star-Ledger analysis has found. The 11 percent increase in government jobs -- driven largely by ballooning education payrolls -- outpaced population growth and came at a time of rising anger over skyrocketing property taxes.

"It's an incredible number that leaves private businessmen and taxpayers scratching their heads and saying, 'How is this possible?'" said Philip Kirschner, president of the New Jersey Business and Industry Association. "The economy is the same for all of us, so where are the public entities getting the money? We all know the answer to that question."

It is a basic rule of economics that private-sector jobs pay the bills that government jobs produce, which explains why New Jersey is suffering from huge budget gaps and soaring property taxes, experts said. In 2005, there were almost 580,000 state and local-government jobs. "It's probably the best indicator of why we have a property tax problem," said James Hughes, a Rutgers University dean who often writes about the regional economy. "It relates to the expenditure side of the equation."

The issue of taxation -- and voter anger -- will be center stage this week in Trenton, as lawmakers and Gov. Jon Corzine wrestle over the best way to balance the budget. It also will be the subject of a summer session targeting rising property taxes. Senate President Richard Codey (D-Essex) and Minority Leader Leonard Lance (R-Hunterdon) have both said there must be a focus on cutting budgets, and neither said he was surprised to hear the public-sector growth statistics, which are reported by the state Department of Labor and Workforce Development.


170 posted on 07/05/2006 10:24:54 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Remember, the Liberals Hate Us More than They Hate Bush.)
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To: Springman

NJ probably overtaxes it's lobster...I was introduced early (at 9) so I love it. My wife only had Pacific Rock lobster before she came the USA and didn't think she'd like it but I surprised her and she really does...


171 posted on 07/05/2006 10:25:09 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever! Stay with him on Immigration too! He Deserves our trust!)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Yes it was my ping to me for lunch.


172 posted on 07/05/2006 10:26:34 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: cibco
Pardon me, cibco. Did you get on air Monday with the Great One?
173 posted on 07/05/2006 10:26:52 AM PDT by aligncare (Watergate killed journalism)
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To: mylife

My link at #127 is the FR discussion of the HotAir video.


174 posted on 07/05/2006 10:27:09 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
No way that Corzine escapes responsibility for this. He is not Clinton and doesn't bite his bottom lip talking about how hard he worked to keep this from happening.

100% true that! NJ should be a haven for all that is good and wonderful about the liberal ideals. Te state is shut down and taxes will be raised. Excuse my cynicism, but I don't think Dems will pay a price. NJ always has a chance to change and they vote for the same people causing the same problems.

175 posted on 07/05/2006 10:27:24 AM PDT by MaestroLC
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To: rightinthemiddle

I have the perfect solution: Have the casino pay the inspector for a competitor. That way, they will operate 100% "within the law"...ahem.


176 posted on 07/05/2006 10:27:31 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "Born to be M-I-I-I-LD!")
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To: CedarDave

My mistake


177 posted on 07/05/2006 10:27:49 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: olde north church
Just called Corzine's office, left a message with secretary, "Tell the jackass to open the state back up!"

I suggest all NJ politicians take a 10% pay cut to help out, and that their pay be stopped completely until they do their jobs and cut state spending.

178 posted on 07/05/2006 10:27:50 AM PDT by American Quilter (Equal laws protecting equal rights...the best guarantee of loyalty and love of country. -- Madison)
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To: aligncare
High Speed Explosive Ambassador

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

179 posted on 07/05/2006 10:28:34 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: angcat

I was happy to participate.


180 posted on 07/05/2006 10:29:53 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Remember, the Liberals Hate Us More than They Hate Bush.)
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