Posted on 07/04/2006 9:58:54 AM PDT by aculeus
The United States has witnessed a very public and ill-tempered debate between the vast majority of scientists on one side supporting Darwin's account of how species have evolved over time, and mainly Christian supporters of "intelligent design" and other variants of creationism on the other, with both sides arguing that schools ought to teach children their version of life's history.
What is less well known is that in recent years expensively produced glossy literature and DVDs arguing for the direct creation and fixity of species have also become very popular in many Muslim communities in the UK and Europe. The material disseminated largely originates from Turkey and are the works of a Turkish philosopher, Adnan Oktar, who writes prolifically under the pen name of Harun Yahya.
Harun Yahya's books, website and DVDs are all very professionally presented in a manner clearly designed to impress.
I first came across a Harun Yahya publication, The Evolution Deceit around seven years ago and to my untrained eyes it was revelatory.
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... much like those women from certain Gulf countries who cast off their burqas as soon as they set foot on a plane to go overseas, it is quite possible that many Muslim students may come to wrongly blame Islam, rather than the ill-informed interpretation of the Qur'an by some Muslims, for denying the fact - not theory - of biological evolution.
(Excerpt) Read more at commentisfree.guardian.co.uk ...
Did you not read or understand what I wrote? What does, "what the pope or anybody else" have to do with anything? It's WHAT GOD SAYS!!! We aren't taking a poll, so I don't care how many people believe what. Hundreds of BILLIONS of people will burn in hell. The NARROW road is the one LEAST taken, or don't you believe Jesus on that one? The BROAD road lead to destruction. If you can't "reconcile" science and what God says, that's fine, but don't call yourself a believer. This is the same reasoning that lets people somehow believe that God doesn't care about adultery anymore, because everybody does it. Well, everybody doesn't do it. Because a homosexual can be saved, doesn't mean He approves of sodomy.
All these things are "New AGE" thinking that has brought us down to thinking God didn't mean what He said, or has somehow changed His mind. Even Jesus declared that He didn't come to change the Law, but fulfill it. EVERYTHING remains as it was from the beginning.
Everyone is free to believe whatever they want to. I chose God( because He chose me first). You chose differently. If you aren't "born again" you will never believe. Dead people cannot choose anything. They cannot hear, see, or think, because they are spiritually dead. If you look for man to get your wisdom, you will always get death and lies.
The disciples followed Jesus to their deaths. How far would you go? You don't even want people to think you believe God created you. If you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of you.
As far as evolutionists go, I have several books from the '60's on to today. They have changed their minds so many times, They don't even agree amongst themselves. It can't be science if nobody agrees with the same theory. It is a religion just like anything else with beliefs. The question still is, "what do they believe"? It is ONLY agreed that God lied in the Bible.
I know and understand where you are at, because I was there once. When God shows Himself to you, you will know and understand. You will never understand spiritual things until you are spirit filled.
If you are a praying person, who do you pray to? Do you pray to the Creator of all things, or to a boiling cauldron of amino acids? Why pray to the evolution god and wait millions of years for an answer? I've seen preachers come to hospitals to pray with families and they don't even believe their own prayers. When you pray, you are praying for God to intervene in an otherwise hopeless situation. Why would you think He could cure cancer, but couldn't create you from dust? The truth is, you DON'T believe. It's really very simple. Satan has lied to humans for so long, we believe anything. How else can you explain homosexual marriage, abortion, the Clinton impeachment, communism, HIV/AIDS? You want to save money on HIV/AIDS? Keep your panties up and needles out of your arm!! Now send me the billions of dollars that we will spend this year trying to make sodomy and drug use OK. Sodomites, sodomize and drug users, use drugs. They just don't think they should be allowed to get sick from it. If I tell them to stop, they think I'm trying to make a Christian out of them when all I want to do is save their lives. They are determined to die. God said" I place before you death and life, blessing and cursing." What did He have to say next? He said," Choose life". He knew we were so stupid He had to tell us what to choose or we would ALWAYS choose the wrong thing. I have just about quit responding to evo threads because you are literally trying to save people from hell and they have chosen to die. Nothing I can say or do will change their minds. It has to come from God. I only pray that something I say or type, will have some profound trigger on someone The Holy Spirit is already working on. THIS ISN"T ROCKET SCIENCE! You either believe, or not. If the pope is a liar and going to hell, would you follow him, or God? Preachers all over the world, and of all denominations preach blasphemy every Sunday. The Truth is in God's Word. Popes, preachers, and the church structure are political entities made by the traditions of man. Jesus came to the Jews to explain to them what "His people" should believe. He was killed for it. Most so called "believers" of today, would chastise Him, excommunicated Him, or at least run Him out of their churches today for His "hate speech" and other "provocative" statements and actions. Christians are not here to "get along" with non believers. Non believers are just that, people who don't, or won't believe. Calling yourself by Christ's name, and then dissing what He says, holds a special place for God's wrath, when that day comes. Teachers are held to higher standards, and as ministers of God, we are to REPEAT what God has told us in His Word. If you disagree with it, fine, but sever your relationship with His church.
We certainly don't have to agree with every interpretation each of us has, but I think we need to agree on The Creator. We should agree on what murder is, and we should have some agreement on adultery, stealing, lying, etc. What I usually get now is some crud over whether I should have sex with my wife while she's on her period, or is that a sin? Agreeing on whether God created you, or you are some accident should be Christianity 101.
Jesus was talking to shepherds. Do you expect that he would teach them mircrobiology?
Now all you have to do is show everyone where God says "Chuckles speaks for me," and the Methodists, Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Episcopalians, Assemblies of God, Presbyterians, Reformed Episcopals, Anglicans, Lutherans, Quakers, Byzantine Catholics, Polish National Catholics, Pentecostals, Evangelical Congregationalists, Evangelical Non-Denominationalists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Holiness Pentecostals, United Pentecostals, Charismatics, Congregationalists, Churches of Christ, Churches of God, Churches of God in Christ, Nazarenes, Moravians, Baptists, Conservative Baptists, Independent Baptists, Missionary Baptists, Southern Baptists, and Unitarians, will all accept your Biblical interpretation as authoritative and unassailable, and scientists will bow down.
Except for those scientists who might be Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, or Buddhist, to name a just few.
I believe you are clinically insane.
To qoute you ....." Hundreds of BILLIONS of people will burn in hell."
There have only been roughly 96 Billion Homo Sapiens Sapiens in the entire history of our species. Now if we believe that Humans have only been around for the Last 6,000 years that number is greatly reduced. Of course if we add in all our closely related ancestor species we may get your number.
So as a YEC your numbers are really really wrong either that or deep down you realize that the Earth is a bit older than 6000 years.
Your post #17 is entirely too reasonable and informed to impress the willfully benighted among us.
We're told that most scientists believe man is responsible for global warming. Just more evidence that "scientists" aren't always right (though many are incredibly intelligent).
Any chance what you're told is wrong?
Here's a question for you: Did sin enter the world through one man's sin, as Scripture (Romans 5:12) clearly says?
Yes.
Where did Darwin reject God? Please cite a specific reference. I will help you with one thing: his "deatbed recantation" is a myth.
So do you believe in physics? In Astronomy? Are those points of light out there suns or are they just stars scattered in the dark as Genesis says? Do you beleive in Gravity?
Hint: A theory is not an observed phenomenon.
I am sorry your God says you have to close your eyes to truth. That is usually the words of one with much lower aspirations.
Genesis is allegorical.
So sad you fall into the trap of limiting God. A God that created everything almost instantly is a God that can be comprehended. A God that created a complex Universe full of structures and processes is a God that is too overwhelming to comprehend, much less love.
Take your simple God. My God is uneleivable awesome. As we learn nore about the Universe, His awseomness becomes even more overwhelming.
Thank you for your post #61...it is a post that will have me contemplating your thoughts for quite a while...I very much appreciate such posts...
Very learned and very articulate. Do you post (David) on "The Bondage of the Will" thread? Your deep thought and theological depth seems to be right from there.
I love it when someone posts here and inspires complex thought.
Good pickup amMom!
Freedumb...I am glad that you also found Davids post to be so superb...its quite a change of pace from some of the almost irrational rantings that go on in some of these threads...
The_Reader_David...your post so inspired me to further thought, that I have printed out your post, so that even if I am not at my computer, I can study what you have offered...again, many thanks...
Where do they get their license to speak from? Do you join some kind of union or something? My dues were paid 2000 years ago. God speaks for Himself in the Bible. All I do is try to repeat what He says accurately. Some others try to say evil is good and good is evil.
BTW, some in the group you just named, agree with me. Others are saying homo marriage is blessed by God and a woman has the right to choose murder for her children. I've been hearing more and more agree that you can be saved by "being a good person".
Can they all be correct? In some churches, what you hear is about as reliable as the NY Times. Even Barry Lind and Jesse Jackson are called "Reverend".
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