Colonists who opposed American Revolution all but forgotten(Justifying NY TIMES)

San Diego UNION ^ | 4 July 2006 | Cynthia Crossen

[radar101]

The loyalists also feared the “madness of the multitude,” the violence and anarchy of rebellion and the possible despotism of an American Caesar........They still do, although now, the Conservatives are feared

[cripplecreek]

People who refused to take the Patriots' oath often lost their homes and were prohibited from working.

Our founding fathers had the right idea.

[calex59]

Yet, in the years leading up to the Revolutionary War, as many as a fifth of those living in America wanted to remain British subjects.

Gee, that means only 4/5 ths of the people wanted to break away from Britain! What idiots. They are trying to imply that we shouldn't have broken off becasue 100 percent of the people didn't want to.

Something else I didn't see here, when the revolution was over we shipped a lot of the loyalist out of the country. I think that would be precedent for shipping people like Cindy S. out of the country!

[John Valentine]

The loyalists also feared the “madness of the multitude,” the violence and anarchy of rebellion and the possible despotism of an American Caesar........They still do, although now, the Conservatives are feared

Say what?

Conservatives feared by Loyalists? The Loyalists ARE the Conservatives.

What Loyalists i.e. Conservatives fear and have always feared is The Mob.

In other words, Democrats.

[cripplecreek]

I saw something about the "evacuation" of Boston on the history channel yesterday. Some 2000 odd british loyalists were kicked out of the country from Boston alone.

[rvoitier]

The Communists are emboldened and have come out of the closet. Another consequence of Clintonism.

[AmericaUnite]

Interesting. On the History Channel 2 nights ago they had a series called Revolution.
One hour was on Washington during the war. Seems another general, Lee, was a more experienced warrior and lobbied to become the leader of the Continental Army. Washington's military defeats had many people doubting the Revolution and Washington.
A parable for today. As was the many bad generals Lincoln went through.

[Waco]

It would be intersting if one of the rich dudes would charter some cruise boats and offer to take those disaffected libs for a free 1 way ride to anywhere they want to go to PERMANTLY. Nah, couldn't be enough of em leave, I guess.

[metesky]

Far from being passive participents in their own demise, American Tories raised native troops and fought on the side of England. Most deserved their fate.

Google Search: Tory Troops in the American Revolution

[Caipirabob]

Colonists who opposed American Revolution all but forgotten...

We didn't forget them, it was just hard to take them seriously all covered in feathers.

That is their place in history, as it will be for the NYT soon enough.

[Jeff Gordon]

The tally: 30 for independence, 35 against and 65 abstentions

The Loyalists did not disappear. They live on today as American liberal anti-Patriots.

[radar101]

My point:
For 40 years (1932-1994) DEMOCRATS held Congress. They forced Republican Presidents to foillow their line. They drove out people who tried to keep America free of Communists and traitors(Joe McCarthy and Oliver North)
They passed information to the communists (Verified by Ann Coulter in the book TREASON)
Now they are saying we have to go back to their ways.

[Pharmboy]

Although Charles Lee had his fans, there was one overriding issue that prevented him from leading the Continental Army: he wasn't an American. And, as an interesting footnote, his retreat at the Battle of Monmouth caused General Washington to take over his command (some accused him of cowardice). He badmouthed Washington continuously, and was challenged to a duel by one of Washington's officers. He was wounded in that duel and died a lonely man surrounded by his dogs near Philadelphia. He is buried at Christ Church, Philadelphia, where more Signers are buried than at any other place.

[Strategerist]

Actually the 1/5th figure for Loyalists is pretty darn low. Actually most of the country was very much on the fence without strong feelings either way in the years leading up to the war.

Loyalists were concentrated in New York City and especially in the South..Georgia, South Carolina, etc. A lot of the Mid-Atlantic was pretty mixed. It was New England and Virginia with most of the rebels.

[libertylover]

“When government is destroyed, whether by men who love liberty or by men who do not, there are then no laws to protect the weak against the powerful or the good against the wicked.”

Yes, which is why it's so important not to cut and run from Iraq. If we do, I'll predict a blood-bath of at least 1,000,000 dead. Reminder: when we cut and ran from Southeast Asia there were about 2,500,000 dead.

[cripplecreek]

I mentioned Lymamn Hall as a declaration of independence signer earlier this morning. Hall was governor of Georgia and even proposed taking a sizable portion of Georgia and adding it to South Carolina due to the loyalist sentiment that was the majority in his state. (he wasn't a loyalist obviously)

[FReepaholic]

...Almost all of the loyalists were, in one way or another, more afraid of America...

Just like today's anti-American liberals.

[agere_contra]

My bad: my dates are mixed up. I have asked the Mods to delete. Sorry Metesky!

[Neoliberalnot]

The political spectrum has shifted, or rather, reversed polarity. Conservatives, rather than maintaining what is now the status quo, continue to place value on the individual, individual freedom, local government and the rights that go with it. Conservatives place great value on the original intent of the constitution, the declaration of independence, free enterprise, and values of religious expression that propelled this nation to world power; and yes, these were Christian ideals that shaped this nation. Washington was a Christian, not a deist as revisionists have claimed. Washington, Adams, and Jefferson were actually raving liberals but are now classed as conservatives as are the people today who see value in all the good they stood for. Today’s liberals do not share these values. Liberals are loyalists to big government (also, the UN, not unlike loyalists were to the British Crown), group rights, individuals subservient to manipulation by the powerful in government, the entertainment industry, the superrich Soros’ of the world, and liberals support the tentacles of an all-controlling secular nanny-state--think British Empire.