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Judge temporarily bars Navy use of sonar that may harm whales
AP ^ | 7/3/3 | ERIC BERKOWITZ

Posted on 07/03/2006 12:21:45 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: PerConPat
al Qaeda, with funding from Ahmadinejad, is working on a submarine disguised as a sub.

Hmmm...You know, that is sneaky enough that it just might work.

;-)

41 posted on 07/03/2006 12:53:41 PM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: SIDENET

OMG! Hillary?!


42 posted on 07/03/2006 12:53:47 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Pukin Dog
This will be overturned before the week is over.

I wouldn't count on the 9th Circuit doing it.

43 posted on 07/03/2006 12:55:38 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: RandallFlagg
OMG! Hillary?!

Possibly her stunt double.

44 posted on 07/03/2006 12:55:52 PM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Quite possibly before the day is through.


45 posted on 07/03/2006 12:57:43 PM PDT by JRjr (hMMM?)
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To: RolandBurnam
or did you mean precarious?
46 posted on 07/03/2006 12:59:02 PM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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To: SmithL

The reason for this decision by this leftist judge is to most likely let some marine craft (that she probably knows about) of some foreign entity to slip past our defenses to do whatever itis tasked to do, let espionage agents or sabatouers into this country. Yes I truly believe this LEFTISTS FEMALE JUDGE does know wat she is doing!!!!

More LEFT ENEMY AIDING AND ABETTING(TREASON AND SEDITION)


47 posted on 07/03/2006 12:59:06 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: SmithL

Following on earlier speculation, the military can only use foam rubber propellers, too.


48 posted on 07/03/2006 1:00:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: SIDENET

Yep, those camel jockeys are pretty slick customers. See posts 28, 31, and, 37.


49 posted on 07/03/2006 1:00:45 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Pukin Dog

I suspect it might take a bit longer than that and I sense that the enviro-wackos won't be satisfied until our ability to conduct ASW in the littorals amounts to a couple of coonasses in a shrimp boat with a Q-beam.


50 posted on 07/03/2006 1:01:02 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: SIDENET
Hillary?! Possibly her stunt double.

Hillary's plastic surgeon is better, though.

51 posted on 07/03/2006 1:02:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: SmithL
That's *it*!

I've had it with "environmental issues" being prostituted into anti-defense implementations.

52 posted on 07/03/2006 1:04:31 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: SIDENET

Perhaps she'd like us to try swinging at submarine periscopes with a hammer a la 1914?!


53 posted on 07/03/2006 1:08:27 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: MinstrelBoy
At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Mr Franklin.

Well, Mrs. Powel, we now have our answer in full. We have lost it. There is no longer any separation of powers in this country. It is constantly usurped and ingnored and those with the power to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" no longer seem to care.

54 posted on 07/03/2006 1:14:29 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: SmithL

Does judgy-pooh know the purpose of these submarines, by any chance? I know there's no political or strategic concept outside of GET BUSH! in the Liberals' minds.


55 posted on 07/03/2006 1:15:57 PM PDT by RoadTest (“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil” –Thomas Mann)
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To: LSUfan
Puts me in mind of WWII where the soldiers were issued wooden guns to practice with when real guns were unavailable.

"Sailor, you're going to be trained on a software simulator because we don't want to hurt the whales. Sorry if you die because simulation is no substitute for actually operating the equipment against an enemy. Have a nice day."

56 posted on 07/03/2006 1:16:45 PM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: mylife
But this is a nonissue since NO ONE uses active sonar in military ops.

Baloney. Passive sonar is used for detection and tracking, active sonar is used for accurate location for the specific purpose of delivering a weapon to the target. Yes, active sonar reveals your position, but that is not as much of an issue when using remote sensors (e.g. air-deployed sonobuoys) to deliver the pings and listen for echos.

57 posted on 07/03/2006 1:21:43 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Not only that, submarine designers have been geared toward hiding from passive sonars for decades now and, espeically in the littorals, the possibility that passive sonar trying to track Kilo-class and even quieter boats might not work has to be taken into account now, before we enter the operational environment.


58 posted on 07/03/2006 1:25:01 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: SmithL

There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled 'Nature'". The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" -- but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the "Naturist" reveals his hatred for his own race -- i.e., his own self-hatred.

In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.

As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women -- it strikes me as a fine arrangement and perfectly "natural".

Robert Anson Heinlein


59 posted on 07/03/2006 1:25:13 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Fresh Wind

ping away pal


60 posted on 07/03/2006 1:25:45 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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