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To: mathprof

Funny...yesterday I watch two programs on Thomas Jefferson....one was showing his letters where he said blacks were inferior, smelled differently, sweated differently and were just different than whites in everything. The other show had a guy SAYING that Thomas Jefferson was Horrified that the Declaration didn't address slavery. One of them is LYING about Jefferson...which one??


2 posted on 07/03/2006 8:19:49 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Maybe neither. From what I've read about Jefferson, he was a pretty conflicted guy.


4 posted on 07/03/2006 8:20:56 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Suzy Quzy

Huh? The two statements have nothing to do with each other.


12 posted on 07/03/2006 8:34:29 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Thomas Jefferson LOVED blacks.




As his personal harem.


18 posted on 07/03/2006 8:51:16 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Suzy Quzy
that's silly, just because jefferson thought that blacks are different doesn't mean he didn't want to free them from slavery. both documents could be authentic.
29 posted on 07/03/2006 9:35:06 AM PDT by lonster
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To: Suzy Quzy
One of them is LYING about Jefferson...which one??

Neither one.

were just different than whites in everything.

That is not true.
In Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia he does indeed make the statements about "odour" and "transpiration" (as he put it) but did not say blacks "were just different than whites in everything", in fact he points out many instances where they are the same or potentially superior.

Jefferson's "original Rough draught" of the Declaration of Independence contained this paragraph which was removed to gain the support of the slave holding states:

he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.
Now as to him being "Horrified", who knows? However, I'm sure he was hoping no changes to the draft would be made.
30 posted on 07/03/2006 9:37:45 AM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Neither of them is lying. Its just a contradiction of Jefferson that can't be explained and just leave it at that.


37 posted on 07/03/2006 12:59:58 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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