Posted on 07/01/2006 4:12:22 PM PDT by blam
The Bible also (as you put it) goes through a lot of trouble.... for other reasons as well.
I think that you are a bright fellow, but you know virtually nothing about the Bible and what it says.
Why don't we just cross swords when it comes to things that we actually know something about?
The people who came to the Americas 25k years ago were not the people we today call Indian/Native Americans. According to professor Stephen Oppenheimer, the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old.
It is my opinion that a continuous flow of many different people have come to the Americas in prehistory.
I do when I when someone else's material, and not writing my own.
At this point, you appear to be the Clown Prince of Historical facts from this point.
Excuse me? What exactly are you attempting to besmirch with this vague insult? Are you really trying to dispute that some Europeans have had children with some Native Americans? Or that there's a hypothesis that Vikings may possibly have visited North America in the distant past? Because those are the only two historical comments in the post to which you are responding with this sort of childish insinuation.
Show me the money!
Show me some intelligence and maturity.
actually that sounds more plausable since all the most advanced civilations in the America's were in South America...
That's nice.
I think that you are a bright fellow, but you know virtually nothing about the Bible and what it says.
You know virtually nothing about my studies of the Bible, and you have the manners of a spoiled child.
Why don't we just cross swords when it comes to things that we actually know something about?
Fine, let me know when we hit on a topic you can hold up your end on.
You're going to start stalking me on threads now, aren't you?
Is there something in the Bible that refutes Jesus' virgin birth? Or was Mary a descendant of David?
No, but rather many of the posters on this thread seem to think that the author was making a more significant point that the trivial one he was actually making.
You got it!
That's the mystery and wonder of statistics!
For what you are claiming to happen, you would need a very extreme case of natural selection actually working as advertised, and one guy with some sort of a "beneficial mutation" which was so fabulous, that eventually everybody on the planet who did not have it died off in a space of a few thousand years.
In real life, that does not happen. The most fabulous mutation anybody knows anything about amongst humans is the one (delta 32) which allowed some people to survive the plague in the middle ages and still gives immunity to both plague and AIDS, and the selection value of that one had to be as extreme as you ever get in the world, and the mutation is found in something like ten percent of the European population today.
Nice try.
Mary's and Joseph's.
Two!
Different!
In my view of things, it is actually all non sequitor.
The folks who put it altogether and made the Bible, likely are guilty of burning other Gospels, and keeping all of us from ever knowing certain words.
What to do?
We go with what we have.
That is my idea.
The Councils at Nicea, Trent, and others, are all we have to rely on for data and info.
A bunch of researchers with a case of the ass against Christianity running around the Middle East deciphering new new stuff is not my notion of a reasonable or objective Source.
We got what we got, and I am willing to go from what we got.
Jerome, Augustine, and others are our sources for some things. They are a heck of a lot more reliable than the pukes at ABC, NBC,CBS, et al for information as far as I am concerned.
For the sake of argument, debate, whatever, I say that we stick with what we have. Arguing from anything else, is well, in a word.... futile.
Well as I see things, it is an exercise in futility to do anything else than debate on other than what we actually have.
Hardly.
Europe's history is one of constant invasion and migration from the Eurasian land mass prior to the 1500's you mention. The much ballyhooed "white race" is more a product of xenophobia than any genealogical reality.
D'oh!
The 250,000 year old tools would, of course, have been made by them.
Sailers are reputed to do the same thing eh!
Sure, Ma-Nu could be ancestral to all of us, but we are talking about the LAST ancestor to have that honor, not the FIRST
I don't know everything about Europe's history, but I am working on that.
Western Eurasians were essentially Balkanized (current terminology) for centuries. That little fact is what enabled their rise in stature in the world.
There is no evidence of the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, or any other culture moving on out and amplifying their culture.
Centralized big governments hindered their people from innovation and inventions. That is why they are still trying to catch up to us Barbarians.
Screw them. They have a culture which does not truly respect and nurture all life.
Big Government is nothing more than shackles on populations. Europeans succeeded because they were balkanized. It is so obvious.
Big Government, hinders progress.
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