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Senate blocks flag-burn ban
Herald Sun ^ | 28 June 2006

Posted on 06/27/2006 5:12:13 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

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To: Lunatic Fringe

A'yup!


61 posted on 06/28/2006 6:00:50 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Right-Wing Champion
To burn the American flag is to burn the freedom of speech.

Please explain how one implies the other.
62 posted on 06/28/2006 6:09:50 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Arson is not popular...

Non-sequitur.
63 posted on 06/28/2006 6:11:11 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Fire and speech... non-sequitur.


64 posted on 06/28/2006 6:20:37 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Fire and speech... non-sequitur.

Apparently you are under the mistaken impression that the only means by which an object of worship can be "desecrated" is through fire. That is not the case.
65 posted on 06/28/2006 6:21:36 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"THE Republican majority in the US Senate has failed by just one vote to amend the constitution to ban desecration of the national flag."

I'm just as happy that the amendment did not pass, on a number of levels, foremost being that our Constitution should not be used for legislating. But am I missing something here? I have always thought that amendments to the ratified by the states. If Congress can do it, we're in series trouble next time there's a Rat majority.

66 posted on 06/28/2006 6:21:40 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Aussie Dasher

So close....


It is just a loss that should not have been up for vote anyway.


67 posted on 06/28/2006 6:22:02 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Wurlitzer

Fire and speech are not the same thing...


68 posted on 06/28/2006 6:22:11 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Wurlitzer
"Every time I see some maggot, drug crazed, liberal pig, light the flag in protesting this awful country (in their minds),..."

Point taken. Monday nite I watched a documentary on skinheads on A&E. They filmed these maggot Nazi bastards ritualistically burning an American flag. They even spit on it while it was burning calling it a Zionist flag. Later in the documentary they were shown marching with their maggot brothers in arms, the klan. I found it useful for America to see these home grown terrorists for what they are in all of their hateful glory.

69 posted on 06/28/2006 6:22:33 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Fire and speech are not the same thing..."

Nice quip but the 1st Amendment strongly protects political speech but I gather from your one liner that things like paintings, music etc would not be protected in your world.

Flag burning is a strong, albeit, stupid political statement. Before you dismiss this form of political protest lets ban the NY Times because free speech certainly did not mean printing top secret information.

The framers of this country went to great lengths to assure we had almost unlimited rights as a free people and to limit the actions of government. Statements like "Fire and speech are not the same thing" were exactly what the framers wanted to AVOID.

People who burn flags are no better than muslim scum but in a FREE COUNTRY we have to tolerate them but we also have the right to hold them up to public ridicule and scorn (as long as we don't offend them of course).

70 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:12 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: blaquebyrd
"Point taken. Monday nite I watched a documentary on skinheads on A&E. They filmed these maggot Nazi bastards ritualistically burning an American flag. They even spit on it while it was burning calling it a Zionist flag. Later in the documentary they were shown marching with their maggot brothers in arms, the klan. I found it useful for America to see these home grown terrorists for what they are in all of their hateful glory. "

Yes, spot on blaquebyrd. Only in a great country like ours can these scum make fools of themselves by an act which, proves beyond a doubt, that this country protects their rights of political expression. The only political speech not allowed anymore is that which offends some pin head. Notice how the left was able to make hate speech a crime without a Constitutional change?

71 posted on 06/28/2006 6:44:49 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: ops33
Dang.

That was why I got a B in Civics!

Thanks.

72 posted on 06/28/2006 6:55:25 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (At least drunken sailors spend their own money, Congress doesn't.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
This proposed Amendment would be equal in standing to the First Amendment. Congress having the power to prohibit desecration of the Flag would be just as constitutional as free speech.

I would rather the amendment offer protection to anyone who desecrates a flag-burner. One of my co-workers came back from Vietnam with shrapnel in his body from a mine. He saw some punks waving the flag of North Vietnam, stopped his car and went after them. He literally shoved the flag into one punk's rectum. The policeman who responded did not arrest him. Would be nice to codify that.

73 posted on 06/28/2006 7:48:41 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Lunatic Fringe
>> "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech." None. Zero. Zilch <<

Excellent. Now I can go to a crowded theater and shout "FIRE!!!" at the top of my lungs. If that's not free speech, what is? I FEEL like using my free will to say "fire" aloud in public, and Congress can make NO LAW to abridge that, right?

74 posted on 06/28/2006 10:06:27 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Judy Baar is Too-Pinka! Vote Stufflebeam!)
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To: Wurlitzer
...things like paintings, music etc would not be protected in your world.

Paintings, music, etc., are not the same as fire.

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Before you dismiss this form of political protest lets ban the NY Times...

No. Let's put them on trial, and if convicted by a jury of treason, hang or shoot them.

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People who burn flags are no better than muslim scum but in a FREE COUNTRY we have to tolerate them...

No "we" do not. "We" do not have to tolerate anyone....

Islam is a criminal organization. The R.I.C.O. Act should be used to seize their assets and the Imams should be deported or jailed. Lighting fires in public is arson and a threat to property and other people's safety.

75 posted on 06/29/2006 2:21:39 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Like the marriage amendment this was just raw meat for the republican base to take our minds of the immigration invasion. We're being gamed again. Open your eyes.
76 posted on 06/29/2006 2:24:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Dimensio

Lighting a fire in public is a public safety issue... not an issue of speech...


77 posted on 06/29/2006 2:25:27 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: BillyBoy

If you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater, why the hell should anyone be allowed to light one???


78 posted on 06/29/2006 2:27:39 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The Senate allowed some to continue a risky lifestyle. So be it. Many died and others lost much in defense of that flag and the principles for which she flies. It's now one's right to burn the Stars and Stripes as much as it is others to risk all to defend her. When the two meet, trouble is sure to transpire. Do we need an amendment? No, we just need more willing to kick ass to defend her.

I pity those who are so simple they can view the Stars and Stripes as "just a piece of cloth." I'm almost positive those who'd burn it in protest hold a more complex view of its symbolism than the former.


79 posted on 06/29/2006 3:02:22 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Dimensio
"How does desecrating a US flag burn what this nation stands for?"

So, what's the point in burning it if one's not protesting what the symbol REPRESENTS?

80 posted on 06/29/2006 3:08:35 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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