Posted on 06/27/2006 11:37:28 AM PDT by Spiff
House Race Hotline Extra: Utah 03 Some quotes to illustrate the importance of this race.
"There is a very good chance that he could go down," Jeff Hartley, executive director of the Utah Republican Party, tells First Read. "You wouldn't have the involvement from the White House if he weren't in jeopardy." (NBC News)
Consultant LeVarr Webb: "A low turnout is expected, so be one of the few who make a difference and have a voice." (Utah Policy Daily) )
UT GOP Chair Joe Cannon "says he's trying to stay neutral" in his brother's UT 03 primary, "but it didn't come across that way" in his online comments about challenger/alleged Satan victim John Jacob (Salt Lake Tribune).
A poll published over the weekend by the Deseret Morning News and KSL-TV, conducted by Dan Jones & Associates, found Cannon ahead — 46-33 percent among registered voters in the 3rd District. But 18 percent of voters remained undecided. "That's one of the highest 'undecideds' numbers I've seen so close to a primary election," said Jones, who has polled in Utah for more than 30 years. (Deseret News)
Jacob backtracks on his "Satan" comments: "What the [Salt Lake Tribune] reported and what I said weren't the same thing. It wasn't that [the devil] was trying to keep me out of Washington. I was just saying when you're trying to get into politics, there's a lot of adversity. … Contrary to reports of saying it was keeping me from being there, it was going to help me in training when I get there. It's not the devil; it's adversity." (Utah Policy Daily)
Well, I thought the voter turnout in California was pathetic last nonth -- looks like Utah is even worse. When are people going to wake up to the fact that, in many cases, the primaries are most important and they need to get off their behinds and vote.
This campaign like California was nasty. Cannon been accused of being a sell out, people have talked if Jacob has a gambling problem etc. I think alot of voters just get turned off by it and maybe don't show up. I remember a couple of years ago one house race was so bad here that 20,000 people voted for the Senate race than the House race that was on the same ballot. That being said I think Jacobs people are more devoted and wild horses could not keep them away. If there is low turnout I think that hurts Cannon
Apparently from what I read they changed the primary dates in Utah and that's part of the reason for the lower turnout. In this case that supposedly would help Jacob so I guess whatever it takes though it is surprising more people don't get involved.
No it was not Buchanan and your post was pathetic.
Wee doggies, there OK212, you are a troll(especillay with the 212 in your screen name giving you away since 212 is the preferred area code of New York liberals).
But that's ok, just a question, how much is the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC paying you to post on FR?
Wow. A cogent argument.
Keep it up.
Something that is totally alien to you spiff and your 10 buddies at the biker bar.
Coming from a Pennsylvania liberal such as yourself that's precious. I take it you'll be at the Specter field hearings in July to demand the Senate stop being so restrictive?
Wee doggies there, RWTB, aren't you from the state that gives the US sir hillary as a Senator.
Those in glass house should not throw stones.
Well, it's very low, and Cannon must be doing internal polling, because he is talking like he knows he isn't going to win.
Illegal immigrants must pay a fine to remain here for up to six years. If they wish to apply for citizenship, there is an additional fine. They also have to pay their back taxes. An amendment to the Martinez-Hagel bill sets a standard that one felony conviction or three misdemeanor convictions, is sufficient for a person to be kicked out. Call this probation/a suspended sentence. In other words, there is punishment in this bill - in the form of fines, restitution, and probation. It is not the punishment (deportation) that hard-liners like Michelle Malkin, LaShawn Barber, Polipundit, Tom Tancredo, Jeff Sessions, and others demand, but it is still punishment. As Big Lizards points out (with examples), an amnesty is something completely different than what is being proposed. What is being offered here is a plea-bargain, in which people admit guilt for a lesser sentence.
The blogger is just plain wrong. As he points out, the penalties are not for the past illegal activities, but are in essence fee for the continuation of the activities under a legal aegis. "[A] fine to remain here..." ; "If they wish to apply for citizenship..."; "...have to pay their back taxes." Well, anyone who has skipped paying taxes would be liable, so this is hardly a "punishment" for being here illegally. How about imposing the sort of wage garnishment a citizen would be liable for?
As for the other two, they describe what the illegals must pay for future actions, not a punishment for things already done. Those things are forgiven, as is pointed out by this ludicrous statement: "one felony conviction or three misdemeanor convictions, is sufficient for a person to be kicked out." If you add up the par-for-the-course actions of illegals beyond merely illegal entry, you typically have Social Security fraud, purchasing and using false identity documents, tax evasion, fraudulent welfare benefit application, soliciting an illegal act (applying for a job they cannot legally hold), and driving without a license (just for starters). There is easily one felony and three misdemeanors here if I had done this, yet all these action won't count. They will have received amnesty for these actions. Further, since the illegals are not to be held to the punishment prescribed by the existing law at the time of the violation (i.e. summary deportation), they are clearly being given amnesty for that act as well.
Nobody was throwing stones but you Dane. You can't call other people liberals when all you do is spend your time on this site and probably others fighting conservatives who are pushing for true conservative candidates and causes.
He had just signed up, too... another clue.
Oh the "faith" of anecdotal(with no link) disinformation.
lol, well I am supporting Cannon but I am realistic what he has against him
What are you listening too i was having trouble finding any live streams that would work that was talk radio like
Because President Reagan signed the first, and so-far only, genuine blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants in the nation's history. Like it or not, avoid the truth or not, but the 1986 act was a sweeping amnesty and those who benefited from it paid no penalty at all for crossing the border illegally. It matters not that the numbers of people who received amnesty were fewer than today (btw, about 3 million, not the 1 million you stated). In addition, people across the political spectrum acknowlede that the 1986 act merely opened the floodgates and caused the situation we have today.
Decided to come visit us in the West and trying on the lingo?
Hint, we don't talk that way in the SouthWest...
Huh? And you are the one throwing stones at me for not living in the state that gives the US sir hillary, while you do.
Maybe you should look in your mirror, of course you will blame me for cracking the mirror(ala John Jacob blaming satan for his trouble in getting campaign funds).
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