[tpaine]

only the ACLU seems to come close to pushing various vices like the Libertarian does.

Ever occur to you that our Constitution protects liberty by ignoring what bluenoses like to call 'vice'?

-- Get over the idea that you have the power to control your neighbors 'sins', guy.. -- You never have - and you never will. Not in the USA.

Not at all, I think the Libertarians just seem to side with other big social liberals.

Well, I ~know~ you prohibitionists side with the big social liberals on big governments controlling our liberties.

-- Admit it guy, you want big government protecting you from sin & 'vice'.

[A CA Guy]

Like President Lincoln said, the Constitution was never meant to be a death pact.

So IMO when crazy, dangerous and criminal behavior happens (which you refer to as your LIBERTIES, vice, drugs and so on), you are restrained from damage that can be done by such activities to others in the name of so called FREEDOM which in many cases seems like irresponsible anarchy.

[JCEccles]

How about it, tpaine. Let's have a libertarian government but place you under the gurdianship of the state along with the rest of the weak-minded and dissolute.