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PALESTINIANS CLAIM WMD CAPABILITY ~~ 20 types of weapons after three yr development....really????
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | June 26, 2006 | FrontPageMagazine staff

Posted on 06/26/2006 11:10:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Fatah terrorist faction has claimed the capability of chemical and biological weapons and has threatened Israel with a WMD attack, according to the Jerusalem Post. Leaflets distributed in the Gaza Strip state that the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade has spent the last three years developing the capabilty, the start of which seems oddly coincidental to the fall of Saddam Hussein (via Reliapundit):

The Aksa Martyrs' Brigades group announced on Sunday that it its members have succeeded in manufacturing chemical and biological weapons to be used against Israel.

In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group, which belongs to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party, said the weapons were the result of an effort that has lasted for three years.

The statment was a response to an Israeli Security Cabinet decision to give the IDF the green light to prepare all the forces necessary for a military operation against Gaza terror cells. As of 9:00 p.m. large amounts of Golani and Givati Brigade infantry troops were amassing on the Israeli side of the Gaza security fence.

According to the statement, the first of its kind, the group managed to manufacture and develop at least 20 different types of biological and chemical weapons.

The group said its members would not hesitate to add the new weapons to long-range rockets that are being fired at Israeli communities almost every day. It also threatened to use the weapons against IDF soldiers if Israel carried out its threats to invade the Gaza Strip.

If they're bluffing, they're making a very big mistake. And if they're not bluffing, then they have just signed the death warrants of both Hamas and Fatah and quite possibly the Palestinian Authority.

If these terrorists have acquired chemical and biological weapons, the IDF will rightly assume that they know have a choice only between which genocide will succeed. Given their history and strong sense of survival, they will certainly make the right choice -- and that will mean the end of the Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The only reason the Israelis don't push them into the Jordan and Egypt is because of their identification with Western values that rejects ethnic cleansing as any solution.

Once the first chemical or biological weapon gets launched against Israel, that decision will have been taken out of their hands. The Israelis will almost certainly launch a massive strike against the Palestinians in both directions -- and while Hamas and Fatah do moderately well at targeting unarmed civilians, the IDF will slice through them like butter. And if the Palestinians expect the West to stop them, they will have miscalculated badly.

The question will be where they acquired these weapons. They do not have the research facilities to have developed WMD on their own. If they actually do possess them, it seems a probablility that someone supplied Fatah with WMD.

Who has WMD? What country stocked them, until three years ago? And where does Hamas and Islamic Jihad, at least, have themselves established? Syria -- who has long rumored to have received the Iraqi stockpiles in 2002 and 2003, just ahead of the American invasion.

The Palestinians have just tipped us off to where the WMD went, and now we know where at least some it may have ended up. The Israelis may not be alone in marching through Gaza and the West Bank.

PALESTINIANS INVADE ISRAEL FROM GAZA

The Palestinians have escalated their continuous attacks on Israel from Gaza, which no longer qualifies as occupied territory, by raiding Israel. 'Militants' crossed over into Israel using tunnels, killed two soldiers and apparently kidnapped another, before crossing back into Gaza:

Palestinian militants launched on Sunday their first deadly raid into Israel from Gaza since an Israeli pullout last year, killing two soldiers and abducting another in an assault in which two attackers died.

The infiltration, through a tunnel militants dug under the Gaza border fence to reach an army post, raised tensions along the frontier to their highest point since Israel completed its withdrawal last September after 38 years of occupation.

Israeli forces scrambled into the Gaza Strip to search for the missing soldier, who the army said had been kidnapped. There was no immediate claim from any of the militant groups that took part in the dawn raid that they were holding him.

A strong Israeli military response to the assault, claimed by the armed wing of the governing Hamas group and the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) after recent air strikes that killed 14 Palestinian civilians, seemed likely.

The Israelis have fired missiles into Gaza in response to missile attacks by Islamic Jihad that started almost immediately after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinian Authority has refused to take any action to stop the rocket attacks by the Islamist terrorists, and Israel shortly afterwards started returning the fire.

Now that the Palestinians have escalated the conflict by invading Israel, we can surely expect a response in force by Israel. Their withdrawal from Gaza makes the invasion an act of war, although Israel will not likely try to invest Gaza again. What they will likely do is stage a raid in force by the IDF to clear out the region where the attacks originate and create a buffer area that they can patrol for long enough to make their point. They will also escalate their targeted attacks on terrorist leadership, including that of Hamas.

This will undermine both sides in the pending Palestinian civil war. Ismael Haniyeh will find himself having to go underground to avoid Israeli attacks, especially if their kidnapped soldier turns up dead. Abbas' efforts to return to negotiations will have to wait for the Israeli military response to reach its conclusion, and that may take a while. The best Abbas can expect will be a quick raid that might capture some of the rocket-launching terrorists, removing a headache for Fatah. Otherwise, both factions will find it difficult to reach any kind of understanding on proceeding with peace talks, and that will push them towards civil war.  Sunday, June 25, 2006

www.captainsquartersblog.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chemweapons; gaza; gazachemweapons; gazahostage; iran; israel; saddam; syria; wmd
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sounds like my kind of "fiends" ROFL:)

This could be the same fellow who was discussing this last week also- David Somebody...I think I have the info in my lists..will check and see...


61 posted on 06/26/2006 1:40:29 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Peach

I would say that is a very high probablity they came from either Iraq, through Syria or from Iran. Saddam's most solid terror ties are with the Palestinian movement so it wouldnt be out of the question to assume that. Of course, to the MSM, the left and democrats, it would be completely out of the question.


62 posted on 06/26/2006 2:31:06 PM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ikez78

Someone else had this story last week; NewxMax or WND? I've forgotten.

I don't get this type of thing at all. Color me confused, Ernest.

Ike - ping to the article and post #60.


63 posted on 06/26/2006 2:32:14 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: AmericanYankee

This sounds highly probable to me too, American Yankee.


64 posted on 06/26/2006 2:46:52 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Peach; ikez78
Fox News followed up on this story of the former AF SOC Officer - I can look up the date, if you wish. It was a Sat. in early Feb. 06.

I fail to understand why this guy (along with his 3 buddies) isn't/aren't believed. They have the goods, that's for sure.

Problem is that their story points a nasty finger at the CIA, who refused to (1) follow-up on their reports, (2) at the one site the CIA did show up at, they failed to bring the heavy equipment required to get through the water-filled walls and interiors - all booby-traps laid by Saddam's scientists when they configured these sites for maximum security. There were 4 such sites identified by these AF guys - containing WMD's in 3, and the missiles to carry them in the 4th, missiles that were longer ranger than Saddam was "supposed" to have.

I fail to understand why the White House doesn't follow up on these reports. I know why the CIA doesn't. They hate the President, and now that Porter Goss is gone, they no longer fear being thrown out on their tails for their attempts to undermine this President.

65 posted on 06/26/2006 2:48:51 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: TruthNtegrity

Now it's getting interesting!


66 posted on 06/26/2006 2:52:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Peach
Here's the article - from the NY Sun, Feb. 8th, 2006.

I sent this article to Tony Snow at Fox News on feb. 9th. February 8, 2006 Edition > Section: Foreign

Ex-Officer Spurned on WMD Claim

BY ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 8, 2006

URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/27183

A former special investigator for the Pentagon during the Iraq war said he found four sealed underground bunkers in southern Iraq that he is sure contain stocks of chemical and biological weapons. But when he asked American weapons inspectors to check out the sites, he was rebuffed.

David Gaubatz, a former member of the Air Force's Office of Special Investigations, was assigned to the Talill Air Base in Nasiriyah at the launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom. His job was to pick up any intelligence on the whereabouts of senior Baathists and weapons of mass destruction and then send the information to the American weapons inspectors gathering in Baghdad that would later become the Iraq Survey Group. For his intelligence work he received accolades and meritorious service medals in 2003 and prior years. Before the war he helped uncover a spy in the Saudi military. He also assisted with the rescue and repatriation to America of the family of Mohammed Rehaief, the Iraqi lawyer who helped save Private Jessica Lynch.

Mr. Gaubatz said he walked the streets of the largely Shiite city of Nasiriyah, interviewing local police, former senior civilian and military leaders in Saddam Hussein's regime, and local civilians.

Between March and July 2003, Mr. Gaubatz was taken by these sources to four locations - three in and around Nasiriyah and one near the port of Umm Qasr, where he was shown underground concrete bunkers with the tunnels leading to them deliberately flooded. In each case, he was told the facilities contained stocks of biological and chemical weapons, along with missiles whose range exceeded that mandated under U.N. sanctions. But because the facilities were sealed off with concrete walls, in some cases up to 5 feet thick, he did not get inside. He filed reports with photographs, exact grid coordinates, and testimony from multiple sources. And then he waited for the Iraq Survey Group to come to the sites. But in all but one case, they never arrived.

Mr. Gaubatz's new disclosures shed doubt on the thoroughness of the Iraq Survey Group's search for the weapons of mass destruction that were one of the Bush administration's main reasons for the war. Two chief inspectors from the group, David Kay and Charles Duelfer, concluded that they could not find evidence of the promised stockpiles. Mr. Kay refused to be interviewed for this story and Mr. Duelfer did not return email. The CIA referred these questions to Mr. Duelfer.

The new information from the former investigator could also end up helping the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, which recently reopened the question of what happened to the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Like many current and former American and Israeli officials, the chairman of the House intelligence committee, Peter Hoekstra, says is not convinced Saddam either destroyed or never had the stockpiles of illicit weapons he was said to be concealing between 1991 and 2003.

"I have no doubts the sites were never exploited by ISG. We agents begged and begged for weeks and months to get ISG to respond to the sites with the proper equipment," Mr. Gaubatz said in a telephone interview. He returned to his wife and daughter in July 2003, and then wrote letters about the sites to more senior officials in military intelligence. But he said he never received any satisfactory response and says that to this day the sites have never been fully checked out.

He says the reasons he was given by the survey group were that the areas of the sites were not safe, they lacked manpower and equipment, and at the time the survey group was focusing activities in northern Iraq. "The ISG team was not organized nor outfitted for this mission in my opinion and were only concerned to look in northern Iraq. They were not even on the ground during the first few weeks of the war, and this was the most critical time to go out and exploit sites. I feel very comfortable in saying the sites were never exploited by ISG," he said. In one instance a few inspectors did come out once to follow one lead, Mr. Gaubatz said. But they lacked the equipment and manpower to crack the bunker. "An adequate search would have required heavy equipment to uncover the concrete, and additional equipment to drain the water."

Mr. Gaubatz would not disclose the names of his Iraqi sources, but he said they were "highly credible" by his supervisors. He said some of them were members of the new government and others are now in America. "The four sites were corroborated with more than one source. The sources were deemed highly credible due to access and knowledge of the sites. Many of these sources and ourselves put their lives on the line to assist in identifying WMD. The sources would continuously ask us when the inspectors were going to come to the sites with heavy equipment to uncover the WMD," he said.

Mr. Gaubatz said each site he visited had similar characteristics. "Everything was buried and under water. They would drain canals and parts of the rivers. They would build tunnels underneath and they would let the water come back in," he said. But the water would only be allowed back into the tunnels after concrete walls were installed sealing off the secret caches of unconventional arms, Mr. Gaubatz said. He added that the tunnels in all four sites were wide enough for tractors. One of the giveaways, he said, was that homes near the sites were equipped with gas masks and other items to protect against a chemical weapons attack.

One site outside of Nasiryah, near the main highway in an isolated area featured a rock nearby that said, "Death to America," in Arabic. At this site, Mr. Gaubatz found gas masks, boots, and an imprint of an al-Samoud missile in the ground nearby a canal used to flood the tunnel. Mr. Gaubatz said he could find a wall under the earth and in the water whose dimensions were 50 by 75 feet. Another site near Umm Qasr contained the remnants of military activity as well, Mr. Gaubatz said. He said that former senior Iraqi military officers and local farmers confirmed there was military construction over the course of six months in 2002.

Today, Mr. Gaubatz is the chief investigator for the Dallas County Medical Examiner. On the weekends, he trains Texas state troopers in basic counterterrorism and basic Arabic. When asked about the weapons hunt by his students, he says he tells them, "Before we can say there is no WMD in Iraq, we must first look. I have no doubts WMD was and is still in Iraq."

February 8, 2006 Edition > Section: Foreign Sun, Feb.

I suspect that it was Mr. Gaubatz that Neil had on his shown. Of the 4 AF Officers, only Mr. Gaubatz has chosen to be vocal about their finding being ignored.

Mr. Gaubatz appeared on Fox News with David Asman on Saturday at about Noon, CST, Feb. 11, 2006. I heard that he also appeared on Fox News on Sunday, Feb. 12, 2006, but don't know who interviewed him or what the time frame was. I have been attempting to get the transcripts of those two days from Fox News since I was informed of Mr. Gaubatz's appearance by a friend.

67 posted on 06/26/2006 3:04:56 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Dave Gaubutz (sp?) is his name. He's been written about at Frontpage in the past.
NYTimes did a piece on him over the weekend as well.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1654100/posts

If this story is legit, maybe these WMD came from the same stock that Zarqawi's crew tried using on Jordan in 2004. (in Syria)


68 posted on 06/26/2006 3:06:42 PM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I'm not sure how much more provocation Israel can take, frankly. You have Iran threatening to WIPE them off the planet, and Palis shouting WMD from the rooftops.

Is there a single person at the UN capable of fogging a mirror outside of the US delegation that understands what all of this is leading up to?


69 posted on 06/26/2006 3:11:31 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: TruthNtegrity

Thanks for posting that, TruthNtegrity. It makes me realize I'm not imagining reading about this matter before.

This is either gross incompetence by the ISG (and a few people in the administration) or they have just given up on the whole WMD thing and moved on.


70 posted on 06/26/2006 3:26:35 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: TruthNtegrity

The CIA is going to have egg on its face if some of Saddam's WMD were given to Fatah.

The reluctance of the administration to push this issue leaves me with more questions than answers.


71 posted on 06/26/2006 3:28:47 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They're probably just hoping that the West will offer them incentives (like a bunch of cash) to "back off".

Sad thing is the libs will probably fall for this stunt.

72 posted on 06/26/2006 3:33:54 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Peach; TruthNtegrity; Cap Huff; Dog; Coop; AdmSmith; jmc1969; Straight Vermonter; Wiz; ...
Just DAMN!

Wonder why Fox decided to remind , refresh the story? Think I'll at least ping some here.

For some of you this may be an old story, but please see post # 67 and feel free to add comments and links if you have them.

73 posted on 06/26/2006 4:08:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sorry but I don't buy it (despite the persistent rumors on missing WMD).

And I applaud the Israelis for their restraint. In that part of the world it doesn't take a lot of provocation to start the war that ends all wars.


BUMP

74 posted on 06/26/2006 4:10:40 PM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the link.

This guy sure seems legit,...and he was acting within his designated duties.....why is he getting the silent treatment would seem to be a good damn question!


75 posted on 06/26/2006 4:11:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: capitalist229

So you definitely believe they are doing a bluff.?


76 posted on 06/26/2006 4:13:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: RinaseaofDs

"Is there a single person at the UN capable of fogging a mirror outside of the US delegation that understands what all of this is leading up to?"

Even a non-Christian like myself knows that answer- Armageddon.


77 posted on 06/26/2006 4:17:23 PM PDT by Ostlandr ( CONUS SITREP is foxtrot uniform bravo alfa romeo)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When Jerusalem and Tel Aviv get hit by Sarin, Mustard Gas, and Anthrax, these brain-damaged people at the UN will have the (expletive deleted) nerve to act surprised.

Connect the dots: Baghdad to the Bekka Valley (Syria) to Gaza. Q.E.D.


78 posted on 06/26/2006 4:20:00 PM PDT by Ostlandr ( CONUS SITREP is foxtrot uniform bravo alfa romeo)
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To: TruthNtegrity; backhoe; Cindy; kcvl; piasa; Shermy

Interesting and possibly scary stuff here.


79 posted on 06/26/2006 4:30:02 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Paul "Dave" Gaubatz Arabic Linguist & Former US Federal Agent

6. Conventional weapons in Iraq
• Tons of conventional weapons located throughout southern Iraq
• They were in isolated communities (schools) and the majority were never recovered by U.S. personnel
• No doubt these same weapons were used and continue to be used by "Extremists" against U.S. forces 

10. Conclusion
A: Before we can say there is no WMD in Iraq, we must first look.
B: If we do not check the sites I identified, WMD may get into the hands of the Extremists, and will subsequently be used against the U.S.
C: We must better train our local, city, and state law enforcement officers in counter-terrorism issues (how to best obtain information and build rapport from the law abiding members of the Muslim community) 

http://www.intelligencesummit.org/speakers/DavidGaubatz.php

80 posted on 06/26/2006 5:44:13 PM PDT by TexKat
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