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Support States' Rights - OK Medical Pot
Real Clear Politics ^ | 6/25/2006 | Debra Saunders

Posted on 06/26/2006 8:22:44 AM PDT by bassmaner

If ever a piece of legislation should pass readily through the U.S. House of Representatives, it is a measure sponsored by Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y., and Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., that would prevent the Department of Justice from using tax dollars to prosecute medical-marijuana patients in states that have legalized medical marijuana. Because it is a good bill, expect it to fail.

Polls show that some three out of four Americans support allowing doctors to prescribe medical marijuana for patients who need it. Members must know that constituents within their districts use marijuana to control pain and nausea -- their families would like to live without the fear of prosecution. As Time Magazine reported last year, research shows that the drug has salutary "analgesic and anti-inflammatory effects."

Republicans should be drawn to the states' rights angle of the bill, while Democrats should go for the personal stories of constituents who have found relief, thanks to medical marijuana.

Yet when the House last voted on the measure in 2005, it tanked in a 264-162 vote. As the House is scheduled to consider the measure this week, few expect the measure to pass. "I wish I could tell you it's going to pass," Marijuana Policy Project spokesman Bruce Mirken conceded by phone last week. "I can't realistically expect that."

Over the last decade, two big hurdles existed: Republicans and Democrats. Last year, a mere 15 Repubs voted for the measure -- down from 19 GOP members who supported it in 2004. On the other side of the aisle, Democrats are moving toward the light. In 1998, the Clinton Justice Department filed suit against California medical-marijuana clubs. Last year, however, an impressive 145 Dems voted for Hinchey-Rohrabacher.

Martin Chilcutt of Kalamazoo, Mich., has written to his local GOP congressman, Rep. Fred Upton. A veteran who believes he got cancer because of his military service, Chilcutt told me that his Veterans Administration hospital doctors supported his use of medical marijuana when he had cancer.

Upton's office told me that Upton believes Marinol, the legal synthetic drug that includes the active ingredient in marijuana, should do the trick.

I asked Chilcutt if he had tried the drug. "I don't like Marinol at all," Chilcutt replied. It takes too long to work, it is hard to calibrate the dose you need, and "it made me feel weird." He prefers marijuana because it works instantly -- "You can control the amount you're using, and you get instant feedback."

Upton also fears sending the wrong message to kids about marijuana. But federal law has long allowed the sick access to needed pain control with drugs more powerful than marijuana. Only bad politics can account for the fact that marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug under the Controlled Substances Act, and thus deemed more harmful than cocaine and morphine -- drugs that can kill users who overdose.

Alex Holstein, a former GOP operative and conservative activist, is lobbying Republicans on behalf of the Marijuana Policy Project. He believes that regardless of their position on medical marijuana, Repubs in the California delegation should support Hinchey-Rohrabacher because state voters approved Proposition 215 -- and Republicans should stand up for states' rights and the will of California voters.

As it is, President Bush should direct the Justice Department to lay off medical-marijuana users -- because it is the right thing to do for sick people.

It's not as if the administration doesn't know how to sit on its hands and not enforce existing law. Last week, The Washington Post reported that under Bush, the number of employers prosecuted for hiring illegal aliens plummeted from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003.

If the Bushies can look the other way when well-heeled employers break the law, they can look the other way when sick people try to relieve unnecessary pain.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: addiction; anslingers; drugskilledbelushi; ghost; jackbootedthugs; knowyourleroy; leroyisinthehouse; leroyknowshisrights; libertarians; marijuana; mrleroybait; pot; rohrabacher; warondrugs; wod; wodlist
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To: DouglasKC
Ever heard of the '60's and 70's? Social unrest? The fabric of society unraveling? Do you think maybe widespread drug use, including marijuana, had anything to do with that period of history? I think so.

oh, THIS is the rigorous science. Marijuana caused people to hate the viet nam war, and riot at the Chicago convention--it had nothing whatsoever to do with a venal, corrupt president fighting an unpopular losing war of aggression with a compulsory draft, half a world away from home. Of course, what could I have been thinking--how scientific of you.

161 posted on 06/28/2006 1:34:46 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: DouglasKC
Yeah, when only social deviants and those on the fringes of that great society smoked pot. Those were the days. I hope to return to that time when only social deviants and the stupid smoke pot or advocate it's legalization.

Yea right. Pot was legal as air, and very commonly prescribed by doctors for such things as easing woman's time of the month woes, as it had been, ever since the time of Galen. When the Marijuana Stamp Tax act of 1937 was proposed, the AMA was astonished, and put on a full court press to oppose taking such a mainstay of everyday medicinal advice off the market. Sheesh how can you pack so much unalloyed ignorance in one sentence?

162 posted on 06/28/2006 1:41:59 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: robertpaulsen
Where are you getting this information?

I cited my main sources. Most of that stuff about Washington is in "Licit and Illicit Drugs". By Consumer's Union.

163 posted on 06/28/2006 1:45:04 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: DouglasKC
Yeah yeah yeah. Everyone who smokes pot thinks that everyone else smokes pot too. Betsy Ross's flag was made of hemp..blah blah blah. Liberals just love to rewrite history, or at least spin it to their advantage.

yea yeah yeah. So your "scientific" argument boils down to you hate hippies, and hippies like marijuana, so you hate marijuana. Drug warriors just love to rewrite science, or at least ignore it, to their advantage.

164 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:20 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: DouglasKC
smoking pot does make you less healthy and more susceptible to other diseases.

Balderdash, there is no compelling statistical evidence that pot users in legalized regimes have any different health profile than non-users. Pot users that get thrown in jail take some understandable health hits.

165 posted on 06/28/2006 1:54:55 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: DouglasKC
"Drug warriors" aren't making knee jerk decisions. We've looked at the evidence, weighed it, and decided that those who advocate the legalization of smoking pot for "medical" reasons are propagandists for the left who only want pot legalized so they can get high without fear of prosecution. Medical marijuana is their cover.

You've also apparently decided that you can use the "New Deal" living document Commerce Clause to do it and somehow be immune to the consequences.

166 posted on 06/28/2006 1:59:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: robertpaulsen
I got a question for you robertpaulsen.

Every time a thread comes up with the subject of Marijuana you show up with your hysterical rantings.

What qualifies to speak on this subject?

Are you a doctor, a cop, a prosecutor or a lifelong member of the DEA? Have you ever smoked herb? You got a lot of opinions but you know what they say about opinions.

Where are your bona fides?

I'm just curious, because most of what you have to say comes right out of Reefer Madness and I don't believe you know what you're talking about.
167 posted on 06/28/2006 2:03:51 PM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: tacticalogic
reasons are propagandists for the left who only want pot legalized so they can get high without fear of prosecution. Medical marijuana is their cover.

Oookay, thank god the drug warriors never utter anything that sounds like an unprovable conspiracy theory.

168 posted on 06/28/2006 2:08:05 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: donh

Soros is behind all of it. The RWJF doesn't exist.


169 posted on 06/28/2006 2:25:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Beckwith; donh
"Every time a thread comes up with the subject of Marijuana you show up with your hysterical rantings."

Since it's convenient, let's simply use this thread. Point out my "hysterical rantings". Then we'll compare them to donh's posts.

I rest my case. Oh, if you wish to challenge any statement I make on this forum feel free.

In looking back on this thread, I've posted more facts, more quotes, and more cites than all the other posters combined. Your accusations carry no weight with me unless you can back them up. You can't. Go bug someone else.

170 posted on 06/28/2006 2:30:12 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I've posted more facts, more quotes, and more cites than all the other posters combined.

OK, you're sitting in a dark room with reams of anti-Marijuana documentation and what apparently is an obsession with the subject.

My question to you is what experience do you have with the subject matter? What qualifies you to speak on this topic?
171 posted on 06/28/2006 2:56:29 PM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Since it's convenient, let's simply use this thread. Point out my "hysterical rantings". Then we'll compare them to donh's posts.

I rest my case

...on blovated thin air. What have you brought to the party that matches in gravity, accepted authority, or throw-weight of facts, the Nixon Report, the Young Commission report, the Acadamy of Sciences Report, or "Licit and Illicit Drugs"? Like most drug warriors, you live on a dream planet where your lame and insulting, unfounded, and fairly ignorant opinions carry the weight of gold.

172 posted on 06/28/2006 3:15:58 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: donh
Marijuana caused people to hate the viet nam war, and riot at the Chicago convention--it had nothing whatsoever to do with a venal, corrupt president fighting an unpopular losing war of aggression with a compulsory draft, half a world away from home.

Wow...you really are a liberal! How is it you've survived so long on Freerepublic without being zotted?

173 posted on 06/28/2006 3:21:21 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: donh
Balderdash, there is no compelling statistical evidence that pot users in legalized regimes have any different health profile than non-users. Pot users that get thrown in jail take some understandable health hits.

Oh please, let's not insult the intelligence of the readers on this forum. You honestly think that repeatedly holding the smoke from a burning plant in your lungs doesn't adversely affect your health? Oh no, I forgot. It makes you healthier because it's "medicine". Right.

174 posted on 06/28/2006 3:24:49 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: robertpaulsen
Washington experimented with different kinds of hemp. In his diary he mentioned English hemp, India hemp and hemp from Silesia, all grown for fiber and seeds

Why was he experimenting? Why did he want to experiment with Indian Hemp?

175 posted on 06/28/2006 3:27:02 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: DouglasKC
Oh please, let's not insult the intelligence of the readers on this forum. You honestly think that repeatedly holding the smoke from a burning plant in your lungs doesn't adversely affect your health? Oh no, I forgot. It makes you healthier because it's "medicine". Right.

I didn't say it doesn't affect your health--I said the effect was statistically insignificant, for the reason, obvious to anyone whose brain hasn't been fried by uxorious anti-drug propaganda, that marijuana doesn't addict you to the extreme degree that tobacco does. But I'm game, show me the stats and I'll retract. Show me the massive clinics where they treat marijuana-induced lung cancer victims. Maybe you can find them if you look next door to the clinics where they treat the 100,000 or so mortal victims of tobacco, a legal recreational drug, each year.

176 posted on 06/28/2006 3:33:12 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: DouglasKC
Wow...you really are a liberal! How is it you've survived so long on Freerepublic without being zotted?

Huh? So I'm a liberal because I oppose the existence of a federal agency that can tell citizens what they can or can't put in their bodies. Whereas, you think you qualify as a conservative while supporting that agency, because it promotes the welfare of the state or the people as a whole. That's straight out of the communist manifesto--"from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

So, you support communist schemes to improve the State and the common people by depriving people of such a rudimentary right as to dispose of their own bodies as they see fit, but I'm the liberal.

Hogwash. The shoe is on the other foot. I'm a jeffersonian republican, your a commy symp.

177 posted on 06/28/2006 3:39:12 PM PDT by donh (U)
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To: donh
Yea right. Pot was legal as air, and very commonly prescribed by doctors for such things as easing woman's time of the month woes, as it had been, ever since the time of Galen.

They also sold tapeworms as a weight loss devices, put cocaine in patent medicine, and at one time doctors claimed that cigarettes were healthy too. Medicine has come a long way since those days. Except for potheads. They're making the same claims as tobacco companies did in order to push their product.

When the Marijuana Stamp Tax act of 1937 was proposed, the AMA was astonished, and put on a full court press to oppose taking such a mainstay of everyday medicinal advice off the market. Sheesh how can you pack so much unalloyed ignorance in one sentence?

Again, you're living in the past. AMA Decides Against Endorsing Medical Marijuana

178 posted on 06/28/2006 3:50:18 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: donh
Huh? So I'm a liberal because I oppose the existence of a federal agency that can tell citizens what they can or can't put in their bodies.

No, you sound like a liberal because of what you said here:

Marijuana caused people to hate the viet nam war, and riot at the Chicago convention--it had nothing whatsoever to do with a venal, corrupt president fighting an unpopular losing war of aggression with a compulsory draft, half a world away from home.

Sounds just like Jane Fonda and every other leftist during the 60's.

179 posted on 06/28/2006 3:52:18 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: donh
I didn't say it doesn't affect your health--I said the effect was statistically insignificant, for the reason, obvious to anyone whose brain hasn't been fried by uxorious anti-drug propaganda, that marijuana doesn't addict you to the extreme degree that tobacco does But I'm game, show me the stats and I'll retract. Show me the massive clinics where they treat marijuana-induced lung cancer victims. Maybe you can find them if you look next door to the clinics where they treat the 100,000 or so mortal victims of tobacco, a legal recreational drug, each year.

Marijuana Dangers: Get Help Now!!

180 posted on 06/28/2006 4:01:46 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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