Murtha "war" record

[TexasPatriot8]

Well, as is ALWAYS the case, the truth comes out eventually (you'd think the democrats would learn this eventually). And as it turns out, Murtha isn't even as big a war hero as John Kerry, and John Kerry did't see or really do squat in his pathetic three months in Vietnam (You did know Kerry served in Vietnam right?). Got this from a friend of mine, a REAL Vietnam war vet. Don't know how much this has already been sent around and is known about already, and I didn't see an applicable thread on FR already, so I thought I'd post it since it's well worth it and important to know about Murtha. Give this a good read and then pass it around to everyone you know. Are there ANY "war heros" among the democrats who are REALLY war heros, and not just cowards who are rewriting history to make them look like they are. The real war heros don't brag about it to then give them some kind of standing to critique the war. Murtha is a coward and a nothing but a little weekend warrior pretending to be a tough war hero. Only two of his 37 years in the Marines was active duty time, and he wasn't in combat in Vietnam. Read on.

"Double checking press accuracy ...

What is a War Hero?

I've been listening to Congressmen Jack Murtha's negative comments about the war in Iraq for some months now. I've heard him repeatedly described as a "war hero". Thirty-seven years in the Marine Corps.

Wow! I visualize a burly ex-marine, his chest bedazzled with medals, the survivor of countless combats in Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War. A man who knows war and combat from the inside out. A man with the experience that allows him to see that the war in Iraq is hopeless and we should all quit and go home.

Although I've been turned off by Murtha's remarks, I never questioned his war hero status. Nor has our liberal press which is why Murtha has been getting away with his charade! Then the other day, bingo, I suddenly knew something was rotten in Denmark about Jack Murtha's war hero status. I've been bothered by his comments in the past but his latest remarks about Marines killing civilians in cold blood caught my attention. Whether this turns out to be true or not, something just didn't compute. That was the moment when I woke up and said, "Hey, I'm going to check this guy out." No real Marine who's "been there" would prejudge combat troops prior to the release of a military inquiry.

And what did I find. Did I find a man of vast operational experience with an extensive combat record? No. I found a man whom fellow congressman Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, silver star and three bronze stars, calls a liar and a phony. A man who came to Bailey crying and sobbing, thanking him for saving Murtha from the ethics committee (on Abscam-related charges) at which time he admitted to Bailey that his purple hearts weren't earned. A man with a couple of years of active duty and the rest of his 37 year career spent in the Marine Corps Reserve. A man with one year in Vietnam as a staff intelligence offer. A man who's no more been in combat or is a war hero than I am. Even John Kerry has more combat experience than Jack Murtha.

(I know flight attendants who have spent more time in Danang than either one of these jerks. ... Luke)

So what is a War Hero? Well at the bare minimum, a war hero would have to be somebody who's actually been in combat, somebody who's been in direct contact with the enemy over some extended period of time, somebody who's been shot at and/or had their life repeatedly threatened like infantry or the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force pilots who flew over Vietnam, somebody who has performed his or her duties in a heroic manner.

And what is Jack Murtha? Just one more scheming politician, a Democrat, sensing a change in the direction of the political winds. A man who volunteered for a year's duty in Vietnam as an intelligence officer so he could come home and run for congress i n 1968 as a war hero. Barf. Sound familiar? A man who's thinking about the next election and hoping he's on the right side when it comes.

As a citizen and as a congressman Murtha has every right to express his opinion on the Vietnam War - but not cloaked in the mantle of a Marine Corps war hero with vast experience in such matters. His comments are very destructive to the morale of our troops and have only one objective - to get reelected.

Regards, Dick

PS I also think Murtha's a bit unhinged."

[harpu]

bttt

[do the dhue]

Yesterday, Murtha may or may not have been a war hero.

Today, Murtha is a traitor to the US and to the Corp.

[operation clinton cleanup]

PS I also think Murtha's a bit unhinged.

Just a little.

[potlatch]

Hi Phil, haven't been online the past day or so.

[potlatch]

[Polybius]

I wonder what the American Spirit Honor Medal was.

It was a Basic Training award.

From this guy's account, it sounds like something out of a Sergeant Bilko episode. :-)

.........the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to the one soldier in all of this Basic Training, who best exemplifies "High Example to Comrades in Arms", and that the panel of Officers would judge those competing on many topics, including: Military Bearing. The soldier must demonstrate proficiency with the various Military marching maneuvers, such as The Salute, The About Face, Left/Right Flanking Maneuver, Sitting in Military Way, and so on. That sounded simple enough. ................ The Uniform Code of Military Justice. This is the detailed Law of the Military. The soldier must demonstrate knowledge of this Code by answering questions posed by the panel of Officers. This is just a bunch of memorizing, and it's only a year since I got out of college, so I should be able to handle a little bit of book work. .................... Recognition of US and Enemy Aircraft. Since we are an Air Guard unit, being able to recognize our own, and those who would kill us, seems to be a reasonable thing to ask. I'm good with stuff like that, and I like airplanes, so I should be able to do that too. .................... Overall Considerations. This is some grab bag of preferences and prejudices, most of which are not named, which the selecting Officers would use to weed out the undesirables who managed to do the other work. Here they were looking for someone with the ability to speak intelligently, possesses an agile mind, possibly a sense of humor, some morals, integrity, and as a bonus might be acceptable enough to look at so as to not make the military look stupid for selecting this person. This is the wild card. Anything could happen. .............So Sergeant Salcedo and I had a good little talk about all this. It seemed he wanted to get it all off his chest, to be able to talk about it to someone other than his wife and drill sergeant buddies who would only give him more humiliation about his inability to recruit even one man who had the Moxie to compete. .................... My final question was what I really wanted to know: "How does one do all of the required preparation and study time for this competition, and still perform all that is expected of him during Basic Training? How is it possible?" And then came the answer, the buried gold. If truth be told, he said, the chosen competitors would be exempt from most of the marching, the kitchen duties, the latrine cleaning, and all the wonderful menial stuff. Instead, they would find some quiet place on base that would allow them to focus full time on the serious challenge lay before them. I could barely contain myself, seeing the beauty of this situation, but I pressed for the final answer: "Would your man, if you had one, be allowed to use the Airman's Club to prepare? (The one with the pool table and air-conditioning, and the color TV) Yes, of course, that would be expected, he conceded. ...............It was at this point that from deep within me a growing Patriotism welled up, and I blurted out: "I'm your man!". Salcedo nearly had an apoplectic fit. He went from brown to pink to purple in less than ten seconds, then blew up in paroxysms of cursing and slander and disgust, and went on like that for several minutes, then started to calm down, and it was soon enough that he realized that it was either me or no one at all, so he gave in. .............. And so it was that for several weeks of my Basic Training, while the others were grunting and cleaning and running themselves ragged in the rain, and sweating like pigs on the hot drill pad, being humiliated for having an inspection tag still in a pocket, that I was cool and dry inside, shooting pool, throwing darts, and watching TV in the Airman's Club.

[Radix]

I never even heard of Murtha until he started bad mouthing the mission, and then of course our Troops.

He is no effing good, and I do not need to read his military records in order to be certain of that.

Without exception, I have not ever met a war hero who is anxious to speak about war and heroism.

I wondered why at first, for a moment, when the problem first came to me, and then of course the reality of the different matters and situations.

War is bloody business, and decent folks do not discuss it. Period!

If someone has something to say about guts and glory, and their greatness, they are likely full of crap, lowlife, or of a broken spirit.

Scumbags such as Murtha and Kerry are nothing less than the best circus act that the Democrat Party has to offer to their sheep.

I have such contempt for them that my vocabulary lacks what I require to express adequately my passion.

[U S Army EOD]

Well I can certainly understand how Murtha got one, it mentions "about face"

[george76]

Is this useful ?

"Since 1967, there have been at least three different accounts of the injuries that purportedly earned Murtha his Purple Hearts.

Those accounts also appear to conflict with the limited military records that are available, and Murtha has thus far refused to release his own military records."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts

[jveritas]

Agreed. It is stupid to go after the Murtha war record, it is meaningless and will sift the subject. The man can be destroyed with all his treasonous statements against our troops and his undermining of the war no need to give the liberals a chance to change the subject.

[Quix]

Wonderful work.

Thanks tons.

[NurdlyPeon]

Has Murtha signed a form 180 (like Kerry did)?

[processing please hold]

what causes a shift like that in politics?

Money?

[woofie]

Interesting thought .....what is Murthas present financial status? He is a bit old to leave Congess and make a buck

[processing please hold]

Yep. Takes a lot of money to retire comfortably these days.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

Agreed. It is stupid to go after the Murtha war record, it is meaningless and will sift the subject.

It is pointless to chase a shitbird. Leave him to his own demise.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Here is the Army's (rescinded) official stuff on it......it was not to be worn on the uniform

http://www.hqda.army.mil/Library/mildoc/AR%20672-210,%2023%20July%201976.pdf

[devolve]

LONE STAR LIGHT & MAGICK

[devolve]

That's good -

"Mission Redeployed!"

[potlatch]

Great post devolve! The helicopter's a nice touch!

I found the little guy living inside that little 'click here' gizmo!

Thankyou...