On PBS, Charlie Rose Asks Al Gore Why Bush Resists 'Enlightened Conversation'

News Busters ^ | June 21, 2006 | Tim Graham

[Lorianne]

Back from a break for heart surgery, PBS talk-show host Charlie Rose devoted his entire hour-long show Monday night to Al Gore, promoting his doom-documentary "An Inconvenient Truth." Rose pressed Gore comfortably from the left: if the president has an "intellectually dishonest" position ignoring the facts, and why no one is having an "enlightened conversation" with President Bush on global warming. Once Rose shifted to Iraq, he laughed at Gore when they discussed whether Bush knew he would invade Iraq as he campaigned in 2000: "I don’t think Dick Cheney had told him yet that he was going to invade Iraq.” This, after Gore said he was trying to convey a "textured and subtle" foreign policy mindset.

MRC intern Eugene Gibilaro found and transcribed this section of the interview, about 25 minutes in:

Al Gore: "I had one Republican CEO in one of the largest businesses in America say to me privately, off the record, he said ‘Al, look’, and a big supporter of Bush, he said ‘Al, lets be honest, 15 minutes after George Bush leaves the Oval Office, regardless of whose elected, America is going to have a different global warming policy, we know that’. And I think Exxon-Mobil knows it."

Charlie Rose: "Why do you think the Bush Administration, or the President himself, or Dick Cheney, are opposed to this? Is it because they’re natural allies of the people who would suffer if there are either taxes or standards against the burning of fossil fuel? Is that the principal reason you think they don’t want to buy into it? Which is an intellectually dishonest point, position, i.e., you’re doing it for reasons having nothing to do with the facts, you’re doing it because of whose ox is gored."

Al Gore: "When people make decisions like that, sometimes they don’t let themselves become aware of how craven the position is and they convince themselves that there is some legitimate doubt about what the truth really is. In the book and in the movie I quote Upton Sinclair who wrote 100 years ago, ‘it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon him not understanding’. And I think that in a sense, Bush and Cheney are manifestations of a first cousin of that phenomenon."

Charlie Rose: "But they’re never going to run for political office again."

Al Gore: "Well, they’re part of a group that has attained control over the public policy process and the dialogue in America, temporarily."

Charlie Rose: "But do you know anybody who has temporarily tried to have a conversation with the president about this in a way which you would consider an enlightened conversation? Who has the capacity to sit with the president and say you ought to know about this. You ought to see this in a different light and someone who the president would be responsive to, who would listen."

Al Gore: "Yeah, but it hasn’t…"

Charlie Rose: "And they get the same, ‘I hear you, I believe it’s a problem, but I don’t think it’s caused by the factors you suggest. And it’s not as urgent as you say’.

Al Gore: "I can’t quote him even indirectly because it wasn’t, I didn’t get. He isn’t, he appears to be an incurious person."

Charlie Rose: "Incurious by nature."

Al Gore: "Yeah, I think he’s very smart, I don’t go with those who say he’s not smart, I think he’s very smart. But, there is a surprising lack of curiosity about things that most people think would be important if you’re someone in office."

Charlie Rose: "And you think this is also true about the decision to go to war?"

Al Gore: "Yeah."

Charlie Rose: "Not curious about the consequences? Not curious about the implications? Not curious about what happens after you topple Saddam?"

Al Gore: "I think in a way, and first of all I think the decision to invade Iraq was the worst strategic mistake in American history."

Charlie Rose: "The worst strategic decision in American history."

Al Gore: "Yeah, General William Odom, a respected former head of one of the intelligence agencies said that also, others have. But I think it came out of a kind of perfect storm of several temptations. Karl Rove saw it as a political opportunity. I think the ideological…"

Charlie Rose: "They went to war because it was a political opportunity?"

Al Gore: "I’m not saying that there was a direct. I’m saying there was a perfect storm where there were several elements that combined."

Charlie Rose: "This is post-9/11?"

Al Gore: "Yeah, I think it started before then."

Charlie Rose: "The idea to look for a reason to invade Iraq?"

Al Gore: "Well, look, I don’t want to be heard as oversimplifying this. I’m trying to convey a more textured and subtle…"

Charlie Rose: "Mindset about a foreign policy."

Right, if you have a commander in chief who doesn’t ask hard questions, and who largely accepts the recommendations of influential advisors, like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Karl Rove. If the three of them than have different reasons for wanting to do something, but they agree on a recommended policy, then the probing that might uncover the internal inconsistencies doesn’t take place."

Charlie Rose: "So do you think the president had an opinion on this when he ran for the presidency?"

Al Gore: "On Iraq? No, I don’t think Dick Cheney had told him yet that he was going to invade Iraq." (Don't miss the shot of Charlie laughing.)

[Tenniel]

The kind that earned its stripes, such as they are, at any of a couple thousand of this country's soi-disant institutions of higher learning, any time in the last 20 years or so.

[TChad]

Yeah, I think he’s very smart, I don’t go with those who say he’s not smart, I think he’s very smart.

On Iraq? No, I don’t think Dick Cheney had told him yet that he was going to invade Iraq.

So Bush is very smart, but very dumb.

Hey, Al, I've got a new project for you. It's not easy, but I just know you are up to the task:

Make even less sense.

[Finalapproach29er]

Al should ask NASA why there is also warming on Mars.

What's the cause, sir?

[kb2614]

Charlie Rose & Al Gore??? That must have been a truly fascinatinzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,,,,,huh,,,oh, sorry, fell asleep. What was I saying??

[bad company]

Were they fondling each other during this exchange?

[napscoordinator]

Al, lets be honest, 15 minutes after George Bush leaves the Oval Office, regardless of whose elected, America is going to have a different global warming policy, we know that’. And I think Exxon-Mobil knows it."


I don't know about Exxon-Mobil, but I do believe that the next President is going to get us back into that crazy Kyoto stuff again. What a waste of money. IMHO.

[Caipirabob]

"Dude, quite bogarding that enlightenment and pass it here!

[Fresh Wind]

I have just one question for Prince Albert:

Mr. Gore, since you have been aware for many years of the looming disaster that is Global Warming®, why is it that the Clinton Administration did so little to promote the ratification of the Kyoto Accords?

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

"Why does Siddhartha Bush Sab resist enlightened conversation?"

Unlike Gore, he's got a day job.

[eastcobb]

Why can't Al Gore, and Bill Clinton for that matter, just go off and retire instead of constantly flappin' their big yap everyday?

Oh, I forgot, they're Democrats.

Never mind.

[samtheman]

Of course there's a million things to say about this stupid interview. I'll just pick one:

The Iraqi military was shooting at US planes on a regular basis (every day?) after 1991. That alone was enough reason to invade them.

[hershey]

'Textured and subtle' -- nuanced, flip-flop, lying lib losers. Enormous egos with nowhere to go. Insulting conversations like this between elitist Liberals are why God gave us common sense.

[exit82]

A dinosaur talking to a tree stump.

Yeah, that's enlightening.

[Valin]

why no one is having an "enlightened conversation" with President Bush on global warming.

Has it ever occured to Charlie that George Bush has?

[Valin]

‘Al, lets be honest, 15 minutes after George Bush leaves the Oval Office, regardless of whose elected, America is going to have a different global warming policy,

Wanna bet?

[bmwcyle]

No barf alert, I got sick just reading the title.

[capt. norm]

Al Gore on the Charlie Rose show! The two most boring people on the planet on the same program had to be the extreme of "Must Avoid" TV.

[Cheburashka]

They will be remarkably incurious about whether anything was actually changed.
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It isn't that the ecowackos will be remarkably incurious about whether anything changed, they don't care. In fact if their policies actually solved the "problem" they would be out of work, so "solutions" that don't actually fix the problem are to be preferred. Then they can come up with new solutions, which won't fix the "problem" either.
The objective is to have something further to advocate, more laws, more restrictions of individual rights, more power to be assumed by the government, which they, of course, will control.

[Drango]

PBS/NPR is the propaganda wing of the DNC. Gotta wonder why Republicans help fund it?

[Mr. Jeeves]

In the book and in the movie I quote Upton Sinclair who wrote 100 years ago, ‘it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon him not understanding’.

Al Gore is out of his mind to use that quote, since it describes the Global Warming Industry so perfectly.