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Ninth Circuit Decides: The Mt. Soledad Cross Will Come Down, "Memorial Would Be Desecrated"
Thomas Moore Law Center ^ | June 22, 2006 | TMLC

Posted on 06/22/2006 1:44:05 PM PDT by RDTF

ANN ARBOR, MI – A three–judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has refused to stay Federal District Judge Gordon Thompson’s order to remove the Mt. Soledad Cross pending an appeal. Thus, the City of San Diego must remove the Cross by August 1, 2006, or face fines of $5,000 per day thereafter. In its decision, however, the Ninth Circuit scheduled oral arguments on the matter for the week of October 16, 2006, weeks after the Cross is to be removed. The 43- foot Cross was erected in 1954 and currently is the centerpiece of a national memorial honoring American veterans of all wars. The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, has been fighting to save the Cross since 2004 when it received information that the private memorial association operating the memorial site and the City were about to agree to settle the case, which had been on going for 15 years, by removing the Cross.

(Excerpt) Read more at thomasmore.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: antitheist; blackrobedthugs; christophobia; churchandstate; cross; firstamendment; godless; jesushaters; judicialactivism; judicialtyranny; judiciary; mtsoledad; purge; seculartaliban; waronjesus; wog
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To: oldbrowser

General revenue for the city. Like parking tickets.


101 posted on 06/22/2006 5:16:56 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

People "laugh" at old tv series like "I Led 3 Lives" and the Jack Webb meets Twilight Zone short fillm "Red Nightmare" but the fears of America under Communism are coming true.

Revisionist history, indoctrination, supression of religious expression...

I have some issues of Dissent from shortly after McCarthy (and "McCarthyism" was defeated). The socialist authors wrote essentially, "and what's so wrong with being a communist anyway?" Well for one, Uncle Joe Stalin was not a nice man and to serve his agenda, even in ignorance, was a mistake.


102 posted on 06/22/2006 5:22:01 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: MeanWestTexan
"The LA guy (forget his name -- bald clintoon defender)
...I THINK it's great that James Carvelle can be forgotten so quickly,
so long as he isn't somewhere on the dark side planning mayhem.

...some sort of demon.
Be content, you got that part nailed.

103 posted on 06/22/2006 5:52:29 PM PDT by norton
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To: Frank Sheed
"They haven't banned Switzerland yet."

Only because the colors are reversed and it's still too soon.

Check out the 'issues' over the English flag as opposed to the Union flag.
(Hint - "Crusaders")

104 posted on 06/22/2006 5:58:10 PM PDT by norton
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To: YOUGOTIT; MeanWestTexan; Mugwump; Texas_Jarhead; SoCalPol
From the TMLC press release:

... In December 2004, as a result of legal research and urgings by the Thomas More Law Center, Congress and the President designated the Mt. Soledad Cross, the land on which it stands, and the granite memorial walls surrounding it a national veterans memorial. The congressional action authorized the Department of the Interior to accept a donation of the property. The Secretary of the Interior would administer the Memorial as a unit of the National Park System, giving the Mt. Soledad Memorial Association the right of continued maintenance of the Cross and surrounding granite memorial walls and plaques.

However, despite widespread support, the San Diego City Council declined to make the donation. As a result, a religiously diverse, grass roots organization, “San Diegans for the Mt Soledad War Memorial,” headed by Jewish businessman Philip Thalheimer, obtained more than 100,000 signatures on petitions, calling on the council to reverse its decision. In response, the City Council opted to place the question authorizing the transfer as Proposition A on the July 2005 special election ballot.

Plaintiff Paulson’s attorney filed a second lawsuit, this time in state court, seeking to stop the vote. Despite the fact that the ballot proposal passed by an astonishing 76% of the vote, State Court Judge Patricia Cowett ruled that Proposition A violated the California constitution. Her order is being appealed as well.

105 posted on 06/22/2006 6:02:58 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei!)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

The San Diego mayor requested that. Apparently he was denied.


106 posted on 06/22/2006 6:18:30 PM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (I snarl, therefore I am)
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To: samadams2000

It would help if the Thomas Moore Law Center would file a suit to remove "Sacramento" from the county, city, and river which bears the name "Sacramento."

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=1113de8pprh3s?tname=sacramento-california&curtab=1542_1&sbid=lc07b

"In either 1806 or 1808 the Spanish explorer Gabriel Moraga discovered and named the Sacramento Valley and the Sacramento River after the Spanish term for 'sacrament', specifically, after "the Most Holy Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ," referring to the Roman Catholic sacrament of the Eucharist."


107 posted on 06/22/2006 6:27:45 PM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: seasoned traditionalist
As I suggested earlier today on similar post, why can't W just proclaim (in an Executive Order) that this land is now fedral property?

You might be on to something. How about declaring it a national historic landmark?

108 posted on 06/22/2006 6:39:48 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: seasoned traditionalist
As I suggested earlier today on similar post, why can't W just proclaim (in an Executive Order) that this land is now fedral property?

A federal land grab? Bad idea. We criticized Clinton for doing the same thing.

109 posted on 06/22/2006 6:43:36 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: weegee
General revenue for the city. Like parking tickets.

So if the fines paid by San Diego go back to San Diego, it shouldn't be a problem, right ?

110 posted on 06/22/2006 7:56:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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To: sgtbono2002
"There should be thousand standing in line forming a no violence protest the day its scheduled to come down." (I corrected your spelling errors)

That right there is the problem with Americans today. What we need is for 1000 military veterans to stand armed with rifles and shotguns ready to kill, the same damn way I did during combat. If I can kill to free another mans country then dammit we should have the balls to kill to keep our own country free!

111 posted on 06/22/2006 7:57:02 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: oldbrowser

This is a circuit court so the fine may go to the state.


112 posted on 06/22/2006 8:52:51 PM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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113 posted on 06/23/2006 4:46:47 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: RDTF

How long before they demand that all crosses at Arlington Cemetery be removed?


114 posted on 06/23/2006 4:48:50 AM PDT by hershey
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To: RDTF

bump


115 posted on 06/23/2006 9:13:32 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: norton

I agree with Hillaire Belloc on the Crusades. They began as wars to protect the Christian Holy Lands from interlopers who had slaughtered the Christians living therein and seized the territory. PC has no place in rewriting history.

F


116 posted on 06/23/2006 4:09:16 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: norton

It's interesting that the flag borne by England is the "Flag of St. George" who was a decidedly Mediterranean (and legendary) saint whose cult eventually spread northward to the British Isles. He is traced from about the 4th century, I believe.

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saintS/saintg05.htm


117 posted on 06/23/2006 4:13:36 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: weegee
If a memorial cannot have a cross, then how can a national cemetary have any crosses?

The ACLU knows it is still too early to tackle the cemetary crosses. But the day will come when they will launch an all-out assault there, too.

118 posted on 06/23/2006 4:14:33 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: hershey
I don't believe there are any crosses at Arlington. The standard white rounded-top tombstone is used there.

However, most US war cemetaries overseas have crosses, and these cemetaries are maintained at least in part by US taxpayer monies.

119 posted on 06/23/2006 4:18:32 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: SF Republican

The City of San Diego will henceforth be known as George Bernard Shaw City; San Francisco will become Robespierreville; Santa Cruz is now to be called City of Matter/Energy/Space/Time And Nothing Else; San Luis Obisipo will take the name Murray O'Hareburg; San Jose switches to the name of Aynrandia; and Santa Monica gets the big prize: Karl-Marx-Stadt.


120 posted on 06/23/2006 4:55:14 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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