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Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq: US intelligence
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Posted on 06/22/2006 5:47:51 AM PDT by Freeport

US-led coalition forces in Iraq have found some 500 chemical weapons since the March 2003 invasion, Republican lawmakers said, citing an intelligence report.

"Since 2003, Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent," said an overview of the report unveiled by Senator Rick Santorum and Peter Hoekstra, head of the intelligence committee of the House of Representatives.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


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1 posted on 06/22/2006 5:47:52 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: Freeport

Here is how the liberals are responding to the announcement of the discovery of WMDs in Iraq. They are using quotes from FOX News Chanel's Jim Angle, to discredit the announcement:
"Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

The liberals then say they are degraded weapons and are no threat, so they really aren't WMDs.

My responses is that the reason fro the UN Sanctions were to find and destroy all of Iraq's WMDs and the onus was on Iraq to do so. 500 degraded shells filled with nerve agents are still extremely lethal from all I have read and heard. It would be great to hear from someone who can verify this.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 5:49:34 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: TennTuxedo

What did the Libs say about the weapons that were hurried off to Syria and the Bekka valley before our forces arrived?


3 posted on 06/22/2006 5:52:00 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Freeport

We know about chemical weapons (mustard & sarin) as well as radioactive material (1.77 metric tons of enriched material) in pursuit of nuclear weapons (Niger yellowcake), but have there been any reports of weapon materials since the mobile bio weapons labs were found?

Media won't report it, but that is the CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL, and NUCLEAR weapons that the DUmocrats gave lip service about during the Clinton years.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 5:53:35 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Big Tents" you get Clowns & Circus Freaks! The road to HELL is paved with LIEberals!)
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To: Freeport

The demonrats are in 'dream world' again. Living one's life in 'dream world' causes people living in the 'real world' to have grief. The 'dream worlders' refusal to admit the truth can cause the deaths of 'real worlders'. America is bless with many in 'dream world'. We 'real worlders' have a monumental task to bring the 'dream worlders' back to the 'real world'. If we fail, people will probably die. Get the 'dream worlders' out of politics now, for the sake of the current and future generations health and safety.


5 posted on 06/22/2006 5:55:26 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: TennTuxedo
"Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

Well, if an anonymous source says it's no big deal then that settles it I guess.

6 posted on 06/22/2006 5:56:17 AM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: Freeport

I am sorry, but this cannot be true. I saw the story on Fox News, but when I went to NBC, ABC and the others, they only mentioned it like it might be a rumor or something.

Even on Fox, Colmes was quick to point out the Democrat talking points that these are old warheads that are not dangerous any more...of course, he wouldn't offer to store them in his garage... but still, these aren't the WMD that Bush talked about.

Did Saddam have WMD... OK, maybe but they were old.
Did Saddam ship his newer WMD to Syria... There is no proof.
Did Saddam use WMD on his people...well, that's not important.
Is the USA safer since the war in Iraq?? What was the question?

These guys have already started spinning this to avoid taking any responsibility for being flat out wrong!


7 posted on 06/22/2006 5:59:47 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Freeport

Drudge picked up the story, which will force the alphabets to address this.


8 posted on 06/22/2006 6:01:45 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: handy

This "Defense Department official's" statement sounds less like a factual declaration and more like an editorial opinion (he actually seems to be repeating the Dem talking point that we went to war solely for the WMDs, and certain ones, at that). I wonder if he's a Clinton holdover?


9 posted on 06/22/2006 6:03:43 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Paloma_55; All
“So what?!” -Mara Liasson
10 posted on 06/22/2006 6:05:05 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: TennTuxedo

Totally off subect quote (as per the Joe Wilson clone's comment from the defense dept). They either were or were not weapons capable of mass destruction. If they were, then Iraq had them although the RATS said they didn't.

But we can only expect self-serving lies instead of accuracy from Nancy Pelosi's Party of Corruption.


11 posted on 06/22/2006 6:05:26 AM PDT by rod1
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To: TennTuxedo
500 degraded shells filled with nerve agents are still extremely lethal from all I have read and heard. It would be great to hear from someone who can verify this.

Yes, even old WW2 stuff is extremely dangerous... Don't let the liberals fool you, they go crazy even when they are our old amunitions being destroyed. Want proof??? Here it is... (just google Anniston and WMD and read hundreds of these articles)...

Not Iraq, but Anniston, Ala.

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[Times photos: Chris Zuppa]
A truck waits on Anniston's East 10th Street, which is the Immediate Response Zone's border, where people would be at greater risk in a weapons stockpile accident.

The cache of chemical weapons includes 873,020 pounds of sarin, 1,657,480 pounds of VX nerve agent and 1,976,760 pounds of mustard agent - enough to kill or incapacitate millions.

By CHUCK MURPHY, Times Staff Writer
© St. Petersburg Times
published March 16, 2003


ANNISTON, Ala. -- They told William Hutchings he would have his building by now.

But when Hutchings and the 550 students, teachers and staff in his school practice what to do if there is an explosion at the Army depot 5 miles away, they pile into a converted music room, not a state-of-the-art shelter.

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Exhaust from the incinerator travels through the pollution abatement system before going out the stack.
If there is an accident, the veteran principal declares, "everyone here would die. Everybody'd die."

As Hutchings talks, he paces in the lot where his shelter is supposed to be, behind C.E. Hanna school in Hobson City, just southwest of Anniston.

On the other side of the hill, the Army has stored enough nerve agent and mustard to kill or incapacitate millions. The rockets, artillery shells and mortar rounds are pointed toward the sky, awaiting destruction.

It has been that way for 40 years. But as the United States prepares to attack Iraq, partly over Saddam Hussein's failure to rid his nation of chemical weapons, Anniston is a vivid reminder that the weapons of mass destruction from the 20th century were a lot easier to make than they are to destroy.

Though the United States is required by international treaty to be rid of chemical weapons by 2007, nearly 75 percent of the nation's now-banned arms still exist. It amounts to a nationwide stockpile of 23,415 tons of liquid sarin nerve agent, blister-causing mustard agent, a deadly nerve liquid called VX and variants.

That's 46,830,000 pounds of chemicals. A teaspoon of any of them is enough to kill or maim.

Most of it is stored at eight sites around the country, still in the munitions into which it was loaded at the factory in the 1940s and '50s. It was never used in battle, only in practice. There are hundreds of other "nonstockpile" sites, as the Army refers to them, around the country. Several are in Florida, including the Tampa Bay area.

In Anniston, the more than 600,000 munitions that arrived in trains and trucks in the 1960s have long been the subject of whispers in the town of 24,276 in a county of 112,249. But as the date for their incineration approached last month, the whispers turned to debate.

Today, the residents of Calhoun County agree they want the weapons gone. But they divide sharply over how -- and how quickly -- the destruction should occur.

On one side are those who want the weapons to go away fast -- at least as soon as the Army prepares schools and homes just in case of an accident at the new incinerator at the depot.

On the other are those who have been fighting incineration for a decade. They hope the Army will be forced to scrap its burning plans in favor of what they believe is a safer process of chemical "neutralization" followed by disposal.

'A certain number of casualties'

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Brenda Lindell, left, prays with her husband, Alan, right, and son Ryan, 16, in their Anniston home. Brenda Lindell and others protested the building of Anniston's incinerator.

Brenda Lindell needs pecans for her fruit salad. Once she gets them from her garage she returns to a topic she is passionate about: organophosphates.

"Even the CDC said they didn't know anything about the effects of low-dose, long-term exposure," Lindell said. "Well, if they don't know, then don't make us the guinea pigs!"

Lindell, 50, hardly matches the stereotype of a tree-hugging environmentalist. She is first and foremost a self-described homemaker who first heard about plans to burn the chemical weapons in 1991.

Even then, she fought the urge to battle the Army, preferring to move from Anniston rather than fight.

But she, her husband and their three kids stayed put. And over time, the Army's plans to burn Anniston's 2,254 tons of chemical agent in a big incinerator near town have become her passion.

"When the Army is given a mission, a certain number of casualties is acceptable to them, and they put on blinders and just go," Lindell said. "That's acceptable on a battlefield in war. But this is not a battlefield, and we're not supposed to be at war with our own government."

Over the protest of Lindell and other groups locally and across the country, Westinghouse Anniston (the Army's contractor) built the incinerator and got a permit to operate it.

It's the same technology that has been used in Tooele, Utah, and on Johnston Atoll in the Pacific. The Army said the destruction of 9,634 tons of chemicals in those two incinerators went relatively smoothly, with no fatal accidents and only minor glitches.

But those incinerators are, quite literally, in the middle of nowhere, not in the midst of more than 100,000 people like the one in Anniston.

And as Lindell and others are quick to point out, it's too soon to tell whether there will be any long-term damage to people or animals from trace amounts of the organophosphates -- the killers in the nerve agents -- that may have been released during those burns.

The Army is required to insure that incineration produces an exhaust that is 99.9999 percent free of harmful chemicals.

But the other 0.0001 could contain small amounts of toxic dioxins, maybe some heavy metals and, if you believe the dissenters, a little occasional nerve agent.

The Army points to a study from test burns at the Johnston Atoll. It showed that the maximum possible public exposure from cancer-causing agents coming out of the smokestack would be the equivalent of smoking 1.7 to 17 cigarettes per year.

"When you look at the working population on Johnston Island, we have not found any instances of workers having long-term health effects," said Army spokesman Mike Abrams.

The opponents don't buy it.

Craig Williams is one of those opponents. Williams, who heads a consortium of incineration opponent organizations called the Chemical Weapons Working Group, complains that the test burn data doesn't take into account the potential burps and hiccups that occur when an incinerator is really up and running. The data also doesn't take into account the long-term exposure to even low doses of those chemicals if incineration goes on for eight to 12 years.

The Johnston Island incineration lasted 10 years, but was usually conducted so that the plume from the incinerator blew out over the ocean, not toward the island's housing.

And finally, Williams charges, the Army hasn't accounted for Anniston's uniquely polluted population. The town is already among the most troubled in America. An abandoned factory on one side of town is awash in PCBs, and some residents already test positive for exposure to the cancer-causing agent.

"If you know that you've got a community already overburdened with toxic chemicals, it is unconscionable to look at that (data) in a vacuum and declare that these are safe levels," Williams said.

Eli and the gorilla

A decade ago, James "Eli" Henderson believed in the Army.

He spent 25 years working as a civilian at the Anniston depot. For 10 of those years, he checked the chemical weapons every day for "leakers."

But after initially supporting the idea of a quick incineration of the depot's chemical munitions, Henderson had a change of heart.

"We discovered that the VX (nerve agent) is 10 times more deadly than they told us and that the GB (sarin) is five times more deadly," Henderson said. "And we couldn't get any help."

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Commissioner Eli Henderson originally supported the Chemical Agent Disposal Facility.
Henderson is a plain-spoken Democrat who was first elected to the Calhoun County Commission in 1994 (one of his bumper stickers read: Eli. 'Nuff Said). And he turned that ability to rally the public against the Army, the Federal Emergency Management Authority and just about anyone else in government who was pushing the incineration plan.

"I just began to raise hell," Henderson said.

It's not that he opposes incineration, though he says Lindell and her supporters "just might be right." Instead, he wants to make sure the county's residents are protected just in case the Army's safeguards fail.

But in January, with the February start of burning looming on the calendar, little of the promised protection had arrived, with the exception of a few "Shelter In Place" kits (a roll of duct tape, a pair of scissors and plastic sheeting to keep the chemicals out of your house).

So Henderson and others on the commission turned to their senior U.S. senator, Richard Shelby.

After hearings last year, Shelby wrote to Army Secretary Thomas White to complain about "the obvious safety shortfalls."

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C.E. Hanna Elementary students Michael Roberts, left, Sierra Worthan, Carley Herren, Miranda Luker and Paige McCord, all 11, play recorders. Hanna is about 5 miles from the disposal facility.

Shelby, a Republican, got immediate attention.

"He was our 800-pound gorilla," Henderson said.

Though the Army maintains that it is nearly impossible for a plume of nerve or mustard gas to travel off the confines of the depot, Army officials declared that they would not begin burning until after Shelby and the County Commission were satisfied that safety plans were in place.

Almost immediately, FEMA gave the county $14-million to buy 20,000 chemical protection hoods for adults and another 2,000 for children and 750 for babies (all at $225 each) living in the "pink zone" closest to the incinerator.

Another 40,000 shelter-in-place kits were purchased at $22.34 each, despite complaints that duct tape and plastic would be no match for sarin or VX if a cloud moves off base. Residents in the pink zone also will get $365 recirculating air filters to put in one room of their homes, where they would wait out the crisis if it comes.

All of it will be distributed soon. And Shelby might not be done yet.

On Friday, Shelby's spokesperson said he was considering asking the Army to perform a study of the cost and benefits of switching the incinerator over to neutralization technology. That would allow the chemicals to be mixed, like baking soda with vinegar, to make the poison inert. It could then be diluted and disposed of. The Army is planning to use that technology at four other stockpile sites.

The Army's new director of the chemical demilitarization program told the Anniston Star recently that the agency would be willing to consider alternatives if they furthered the goal of safely disposing of the stockpile.

Still waiting at C.E. Hanna

In the meantime, FEMA has finished paying for a new state-of-the-art Calhoun County emergency management bunker in Jacksonville, 12 miles north of Anniston. There are 106 special sirens scattered around the county to blast a warning if the chemicals start to drift.

FEMA also has put special pressurization engines in the schools closest to the incinerator, so the air pressure in a large room at each school could be increased in the event of a chemical release so that no agent could get inside.

But while those schools are protected, Hutchings is still waiting.

On Thursday, Janet Shelby of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said that C.E. Hanna School is still slated to get a new metal building with a pressurization engine.

"It will be done by October," Shelby said.

That's when the Army is hoping to start the burning 5 miles away. And that's when Army workers will reach into the "igloos" where the weapons are stored and begin withdrawing pallets of rockets and shells stacked together for 40 years.

In the worst case, one of the 77,000 M-55 rockets filled with sarin or VX would tip over, hit the ground and launch back into the igloo, igniting several thousand others and sending a cloud of deadly sarin toward the sky and out past the fence.

The sirens would go off and the fourth- and fifth-graders at C.E. Hanna would run to their new shelter before Hutchings, 63, turned on the pressurization machine.

But, first, he needs his building. And he is tired of waiting.

"You've got some people fighting over money like blind dogs in a meat house," Hutchings said. "But they're not doing anything for the common people."

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Anniston provides home shelter kits to residents.
Shelter in Place

The home shelter kits provided to protect Anniston, Ala. residents from exposure to chemical nerve agents contain items that could be found at most hardware stores

1. A 10' X 25' roll of plastic sheeting

2. A roll of duct tape

3. A pair of scissors

4. A video explaining how to trim the plastic to fit windows and doors

The "Shelter in Place" kit also contains written instructions residents are to follow if they hear the chemical warning siren. Here they are:

1. Move inside immediately

2. Close all windows and doors

3. Turn off all ventilation systems

4. Go into and seal a room

5. Turn on the radio

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/Worldandnation/Not_Iraq__but_Annisto.shtml

12 posted on 06/22/2006 6:07:08 AM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: johnny7

Mara Liason would know "so what" the next time she asks for a little "mustard" with her mayo or happened to visit the NY city subway system during the attack that we missed.

She should be forced to watch a few old reels of WWI gassing or a few hours of Saddam's attack on the Kurds.

Talk about lack of reality.


13 posted on 06/22/2006 6:08:33 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Freeport
Anyone who thinks Iraq didn't have WMD's is a freaking idiot.

Of course they had WMD's ! THEY FREAKING USED THEM ON THEIR PEOPLE !

Saying that Iraq didn't have WMD's because we hadn't found them yet is as stupid as saying the Jimmy Hoffa didn't exist because we haven't found his corpse.
14 posted on 06/22/2006 6:09:29 AM PDT by conservative physics (only a liberal could think boys with energy are mental, but boys attracted to other boys are normal)
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To: TennTuxedo
“A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

On Hannity and Colmes last night Alan Colmes asked Senator Santorum about this and the Senator told him “I am sure that this defense spokesman did not vote for President Bush”, and both him and Hoekstra said that they want to know who this DOD official is and they will wait for a real and official statement from the DOD.

15 posted on 06/22/2006 6:10:12 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Freeport
[T]he report unveiled by Senator Rick Santorum...

Unveiled by Santorum?
That fact alone is enough to discredit this discovery in the minds of democRATS.
Next to President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, Santorum is the Republican the left most loves to villify.

16 posted on 06/22/2006 6:14:04 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Freeport
Check out Google News:

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=


Nothing on the front page about WMD. Zip. Zilch.

As predicted yesterday, the MSM will disavow and ignore this story.
17 posted on 06/22/2006 6:16:20 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: Paloma_55
These guys have already started spinning this to avoid taking any responsibility for being flat out wrong!

I will substitute “wrong” with “LIARS” : )

18 posted on 06/22/2006 6:16:22 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Freeport
My understanding is that the mustard gas tends to polymerize over time (becomes gooey). OTOH, the Sarin has quite a long shelf life...especially if the binary shells are used.

The liberals who discredit this report have no basis to do so without a lot more detailed information. At the very least, these finds demonstrate that the weapons inspectors were unable to do a satisfactory job (due to interference by Saddam).
19 posted on 06/22/2006 6:17:33 AM PDT by kidd (If God is your co-pilot, try switching seats)
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To: jveritas
“You're down 18 points in the polls Senator... aren't you just using this...” -Alan Colmes
20 posted on 06/22/2006 6:17:36 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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