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Liberals blink on Tory election threat (Canada governed by conservatives, eh!)
CANADIAN PRESS via Toronto Star ^ | Jun. 21, 2006. | CP staff

Posted on 06/21/2006 4:50:43 PM PDT by fanfan

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1 posted on 06/21/2006 4:50:47 PM PDT by fanfan
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To: GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

Canada ping!

Please FReepmail me to get on or off this Canada ping list.

2 posted on 06/21/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: fanfan

Parliamentary rules remain a mystery to me.


3 posted on 06/21/2006 4:53:27 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

there's only one that matters - Government must maintain the confidence of the majority of the parliment - in Canada's case their "House of Commons"


4 posted on 06/21/2006 5:01:48 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: Dog Gone; Murtyo; Cindy; patriciaruth; GMMAC; Fair Go; King Prout
That's right Murtyo.

In Canada, some bills can be passed or defeated with out having any effect on the sitting government.

Some bills/legislations are considered to be "Confidence" bills.
If this type of bill is voted down, it means the 'house' has lost 'confidence' in the government, and an election should be called.

When the elected government holds more than half the seats in the House of Commons, they are said to have "a majority", and can pass any legislation they see fit.
That's how the Liberals got away with so much.

Right now, us Conservatives hold power in fewer than half the seats, and have to depend on votes of support on certain items from the other parties.

I'm not sure how he pulled it off yet, but Stephen Harper forced the Liberals to vote with the Conservatives on a "confidence" bill.

More egg on their face.

I love Harper!

5 posted on 06/21/2006 5:20:09 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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“The Liberals decided to vote with the government, that’s incredible,” Bloc MP Bernard Bigras said after the vote.

The liberals are afraid of an early election, the grass roots liberal organizers have been called crooks on the doorsteps of constituants. The election in the fall would likely give Harper and the Tories a majority government.

The liberals plan to reorganize, create a scandal, and then control the timimg of the election with the help of the NDP to unseat Harper.

You bet the Libs voted with the government, they likely would lose seats to the NDP, which is why the NDP tried to force the issue.

6 posted on 06/21/2006 5:41:41 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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I agree to a point, but Harper has all of them on the run.

The bloq, the dippers, and the libs.

I am in awe of Harper's strategic abilities.
The leftists in Canada are like frogs in a pot of water.
The heat has been turned up, and they are noticing some discomfort, but they haven't realized they are cooked.
7 posted on 06/21/2006 5:51:22 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: fanfan

A couple years ago I had all but written Canada off. It looked hopeless for any conservative comeback.

Boy am I glad to be wrong.


8 posted on 06/21/2006 6:08:22 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: fanfan

Lets hope this trend continues! Harper is awesome.


9 posted on 06/21/2006 6:21:24 PM PDT by proud_yank (Truth to liberals is as useful as a snowblower in hell.)
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I agree. I'll now likely head to Canada this summer for vacation (1st time in ~ 4 years).


10 posted on 06/21/2006 6:55:18 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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Cool!

I've been here for a while for school, and have noticed many more 'support our troops' ribbons showing up on cars since the election.

Even saw some cars with Bush/Cheney stickers on them, during ours. Hopefully this Nov is a good year for the GOP, I think it will be.


11 posted on 06/21/2006 6:59:47 PM PDT by proud_yank (Truth to liberals is as useful as a snowblower in hell.)
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To: fanfan

(I'm not sure how he pulled it off yet, but Stephen Harper forced the Liberals to vote with the Conservatives on a "confidence" bill.)

I understood from the article that had they succeeded in voting the minister out, that would have been considered (with Harper's backing) a no-confidence vote on the Conservative government. That sounds bad on its face for the Conservatives who don't have a majority of the seats. New (and earlier) elections would have been necessary. Based on the fact that liberals blinked, it means that both Conservatives and Liberals know that had elections been performed, the Conservatives would be victorious, and perhaps would get more than half the seats! Hurrah for calling the liberals' bluff! This reminds me of when the GOP allows a vote on cutting and running in Iraq (the Democrats' own proposal) and even the Democrats who originally proposed it vote it down!


12 posted on 06/21/2006 7:31:47 PM PDT by winner3000
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I am in awe of Harper's strategic abilities. The leftists in Canada are like frogs in a pot of water. The heat has been turned up, and they are noticing some discomfort, but they haven't realized they are cooked.

I profoundly hope that you are correct in your analysis. I am seeing symptoms of despair in the green lefty enclave that I live in.

More notably, the CBC is subtly trying to shift ground on various 'sensitive' issues without being too obvious - there are careers to consider! LOL!

The lefties are running scared - I love the way Harper is boosting the NDP to undercut Liberal efforts - masterful!

And this article reveals what a pack of fools he is up against in all opposition parties.

The Man is a genius. Thank God!

13 posted on 06/21/2006 7:39:17 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: winner3000

Between now and next spring Harper can do whatever he wants and count on Liberal support. The Libs are down in the polls, have no leader and no money so any election within a year would wipe them out and they know it. That's why they did the sudden reversal about the Minister.


14 posted on 06/21/2006 7:40:39 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Yay! It's Riding Season!)
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To: Dog Gone
Parliamentary rules remain a mystery to me.

Ha! Same here.

15 posted on 06/21/2006 7:49:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Good!

I get the general rule. You get to form the government until you get a majority in Parliament to say your ___ is grass, but it's actually a lot more complicated than that in day to day stuff.

But I'm not sure our form of government makes much sense to foreigners, either.

I'm just saying...


16 posted on 06/21/2006 7:52:15 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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The libs and NDP seriously underestimated Harper. We have a good man leading our nation now.

They are also underestimating Ambrose.


17 posted on 06/21/2006 7:57:21 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: fanfan
I agree with Harpers strategic abilities, he caught the libs with their pants down by forcing the vote right away.

I bet there is a lot of cussing going on in the Libbycaucus this night( rats, foiled again!)

I am also pleasantly surprised that gentle mannerly Canadians are actually calling Liberal grass roots party organizers "crooks" on the door stoop without inviting them in for a cuppa tea. Glad folks are waking up, and I hope that it is just a beginning.

When the libs realize how cooked they are, will the grass roots organizers bail? I bet they will, cowards that they are! Elections have been liberal rubber stamping affairs in so many constituencies across Canada for many years! Now the liberal political job with the public will not be as easy as it has been for the last 20 years or so.

18 posted on 06/21/2006 7:58:56 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: fanfan
PMSH scores AGAIN!!! LOL

It is fun to watch this group of Canadian Conservatives playing offense.

So far so good.

In some ways it seems having a minority is better than a majority.

It is tempting to just dismiss them, but I suppose the Libs must not be underestimated.

I grabbed this little gem off of Kinsellas' blog.

"Conservatives' ideology is their ideology: tax cuts, law and order, and so on. That kind of stuff. The Liberal ideology is, to be blunt, winning."

19 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:47 PM PDT by concrete is my business (place, consolidate, finish)
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Its politics. The leaderless Liberals are not ready for an election that soon. They'll bring down Canada's government when they're good and ready. There'll be an election by next spring or if the fixed election law passes Parliament, then by next October.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

20 posted on 06/21/2006 9:48:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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