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To: ordinaryguy

Geneva Convention Selections*
1. Ambulances, military hospitals, and the personnel serving with them are to be recognized as neutral and protected during conflict.
2. Wounded or sick combatants are to be collected and cared for by either side in a conflict.
3. Prisoners Of War (POWs) must not be subjected to torture, medical experimentation, and must be protected against acts of violence, insults, and public curiosity.
4. POWs are required to provide to their captors only their name, rank, date of birth, and military service number.
5. Prisoners are subject to the laws of their captors, and can be tried by their captors’ courts. The captor shall ensure fairness, impartiality, and a competent advocate (lawyer) for the prisoner.
6. Taking of hostages is prohibited.
7. Civilians cannot be forced to do military-related work for an occupying force.
8. Indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations are prohibited.
9. Recruitment of children under age 15 into the armed forces is forbidden.
10. Combatants cannot conceal their allegiance; they must be recognizable as combatants while preparing for or during an attack.
11. Attacks are forbidden on civilians, crops, water sources, cultural objects, and places of worship.
12. Children are to be evacuated to safe areas when possible, and reunited with their families.


*Source: American National Red Cross: “A Summary of the Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols, 2001.


29 posted on 06/21/2006 10:37:07 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Zarqawi is Dead: Celebrate with a Pork Chop and a Beer!)
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To: Brad Cloven

I'd appreciate the primary source. I've read many of the conventions, and I haven't yet come across the stated requirement. I really am interested in reading that clause.


32 posted on 06/21/2006 10:45:07 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Brad Cloven; RandallFlagg; rockthecasbah
1. Ambulances, military hospitals, and the personnel serving with them are to be recognized as neutral and protected during conflict.

"They have stolen a lot of ambulances," he said, sitting at his desk between two fake plastic trees. Just the other day insurgents used an ambulance to bomb a wedding party south of Baghdad, killing at least seven people.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:-_S9hIjywTwJ:www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-woelec0129,0,4569368.story%3Fcoll%3Dny-worldnews-toputility+insurgents+used+ambulance+iraq&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

2. Wounded or sick combatants are to be collected and cared for by either side in a conflict.

WASHINGTON, March 28, 2003 -- Two wounded American fighting men yesterday described their experiences in Iraq to interviewers -- including how some Iraqi combatants don't play by the rules of war.

"We were engaged from the city by people dressed up in civilian clothes with AK-47s … that's when I was shot in the hand," the 21-year-old corporal explained.

Menard pointed out that local Iraqi civilians had at first seemed happy to see the Marines. That changed, he noted, when the civilians "turned on us and started firing on us."

And, some of the enemy's fire came from a nearby hospital, the Marine remarked, noting, "We were very surprised and it -- it shocked everybody." Menard said he'd soon return stateside for more treatment on his hand.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:pfAJf4eIzsYJ:www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2003/n03282003_200303285.html+wounded+combatants+iraq&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

3. Prisoners Of War (POWs) must not be subjected to torture, medical experimentation, and must be protected against acts of violence, insults, and public curiosity.

Angry Iraqis attack dismembered charred torso

Torched body hung on bridge

4. POWs are required to provide to their captors only their name, rank, date of birth, and military service number.Okay, if given the opportunity!

5. Prisoners are subject to the laws of their captors, and can be tried by their captors’ courts. The captor shall ensure fairness, impartiality, and a competent advocate (lawyer) for the prisoner.

The Mujahideen Shura Council Announces the Execution of the Captured Russian Diplomats

http://www.siteinstitute.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=publications187306&Category=publications&Subcategory=0

An internet statement from the Mujahideen Shura Council, which groups seven insurgent organisations, including al-Qaeda, in Iraq, said: "We give the good news ... to the Islamic nation that we have carried God's verdict by slaughtering the two captured crusaders. With God Almighty's blessing, Abu Hamza al-Muhajir carried out the verdict of the Islamic court for the soldiers' killing."

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=907492006

Taking of hostages is prohibited.

Taking of hostages is prohibited.

Oh we don't even want to get started on this one, do we?

Beginning in April 2004, members of the Iraqi insurgency began taking hostage foreign civilians in Iraq. Since then, they have kidnapped more than 200 foreigners and thousands of Iraqis; among them, 30 foreign hostages have been killed. The motives behind these kidnappings include influencing foreign governments with troops in Iraq and foreign companies with workers there, as well as ransom money and discouraging travel to Iraq. In 2004, executions of captives were often filmed, and several were beheaded. However, the number of videotaped killings has decreased significantly, and now the deaths of hostages are often announced only in a statement. Many hostages remain missing with no clue as to their whereabouts. The US Department of State Hostage Working Group was organized by the US Embassy in Baghdad in the summer of 2004 to monitor hostages in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_Iraq

7. Civilians cannot be forced to do military-related work for an occupying force.

Some Iraq suicide bombers 'forced'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. has evidence that some suicide bombers in Iraq may have been forced against their will to carry out attack missions.

A military official with the U.S. Central Command tells CNN that in one case after an attack, troops found a body with a foot tied with a rope inside a vehicle.

The official says there also is evidence of some individuals having their entire family held by extremists who then force them into suicide car bomb attacks.

ABC News reported the U.S. claims in an interview aired Friday.

In some attacks, suspected bombers have run from their cars and come to U.S. forces, officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/26/iraq.bombers.force/

8. Indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations are prohibited.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Gunman abducted about 85 workers Wednesday as they left an industrial plant north of Baghdad, police and a witness said. ADVERTISEMENT The workers were thought to be mostly Shiite and the plant is located in a predominantly Sunni Arab area. The witness said that about 85 workers were taken near the parking lot of the al-Nasr General Complex in Taji, 12 miles north of Baghdad, while police Lt. Thaer Mahmoud said they filled up a bus and a minivan. Taji is predominantly Sunni Arab area that has seen much insurgent activity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060621/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_abduction;_ylt=Ag5pfSagsdVteM1BYiZt5C1vaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

And most of all

9. Recruitment of children under age 15 into the armed forces is forbidden.

Iraqi Children in Military Camp

(May 17, 2001)

The Iraqi government is again preparing to place children in military training camps, as it has done in the past several years, despite the reluctance of families, the dangerous conditions in these camps, and the censure of Arab and international organizations.

According to a report in Al-Zaman (April 15, 2001), the Governor of Baghdad, General Sabir Abdul Aziz Al-Douri, is making preparations for two month long sessions this summer, from June through August. Children from elementary schools are forced to take part in the training and in the past several children have died from heat strokes, accidents and the rigors of training.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:giB-dooKKgAJ:www.iraqfoundation.org/hr/2001/may/17_kids.html+iraqi+children+in+military&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

10. Combatants cannot conceal their allegiance; they must be recognizable as combatants while preparing for or during an attack.

You mean like this

Attacks are forbidden on civilians, crops, water sources, cultural objects, and places of worship.

Oh you don't say! Well I guess the fffs did not know and that is why they did this:

Google search: insurgents blow up mosque iraq

terrorists blow up mosque iraq

Children are to be evacuated to safe areas when possible, and reunited with their families.

Use of Human Shields

According to Human Rights Watch interviewees and U.S. and U.K. media reports, Iraqi armed forces endangered civilians by using them to shield combatants from the enemy. Iraqi prisoners of war said they received orders to “use any means necessary” during their battle with the Marines including “putting women and children in the street.”165 Human Rights Watch gathered testimonies that are consistent with such allegations. Yusif Sahib Jawad, a 29-year-old taxi driver, witnessed fedayeen fighters hiding between houses on al-Madina Street where much of the fighting in al-Najaf took place. “Most of the fedayeen and Ba`thists distributed and hid between houses because they thought the Americans wouldn’t shoot civilians. They used civilians as shields,” he said.166 In one case, he saw Ba`th militia members spot a U.S. helicopter in the sky and then pull their car next to a car carrying a civilian family. The helicopter fired and seven civilians died in their vehicle, Jawad said.167 The press reported that helicopter pilots often encountered these kinds of situations.168

Can we tweak Geneva's Convention just a tiny weenie bit now pretty please?

56 posted on 06/21/2006 12:51:47 PM PDT by TexKat
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