Episcopalians refuse affirmation of Christ

Virtue Online ^ | June 20, 2006 | Hans Zeiger

[MountainMenace]

COLUMBUS, OHIO (6/20/06)-The House of Deputies of the 75th General Convention of the Episcopal Church today overwhelmingly refused to even consider a resolution that affirmed Jesus Christ as the "only name by which any person may be saved."

[Robert A Cook PE]

Who is the sponsor of Emory University in Atlanta?

They recently paid for a new dean of their College of Theology who is NOT ordained, NEVER been a minister or pastor, NEVER gotten a degree in divinity or theology but IS a practicing abortion-centrist feminist liberal with a political science doctorate.

[nanetteclaret]

"If you follow that thinking logically, you'll realize that is the very reason that the whole idea of a Pope is dangerous."

Matthew 16:17-19
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Are you arguing with Jesus?

[Moonman62]

There's a lot of ambiguity on this fact in the church; I know a lot of folks who believe the good Hindu, Jew, etc., can achieve salvation as well as many souls after death as Christ (according to Scripture) did descend into the dead to do just that... (I have mixed feelings on this myself).

Such reasoning isn't very intimidating and therefore not as good for recruiting, as opposed to telling someone they'll burn in hell for eternity if you don't join us.

The name Jesus is derived from the phrase "god saves." Just thought I would throw that in.

[secret garden]

They are not Episcopalian, although it sounds a lot like the woman who was just elected presiding bishop.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Hitler (in killing sub-humans) literally starved millions of Slavic white and "Christian" (Soviet Union) soldiers to death by penning them in prison camps behind barbed wire, and simply not feeding them for weeks.

Many resorted to cannibalism, but died anyway.

[meandog]

And then, of course, there is Islam, in which lying and killing for the advancement of the "faith" is a good thing. Would they get the same pass as a righteous Hindu?

...I purposely left out "the religion of peace" as it is no where near, either in principle or practice, what other religions aspire in seeking good over evil. Islam, IMHO, is the spawn of Abraham's impatience to wait for God's goodness; hence the coupling of his seed to Sarah's handmaiden to produce Ishmael--the patriarch of Islam and inheritor of the mark of Cain.

[Raycpa]

Such reasoning isn't very intimidating and therefore not as good for recruiting, as opposed to telling someone they'll burn in hell for eternity if you don't join us.

The problem with other ideas doesn't hinge on recruiting. It hinges on two factors. One is that if there are other ways to heaven, Jesus's death was not necessary. The second is based on the whole reason for Christianity, namely Jesus rose from the dead.

[nanetteclaret]

The word "Scripture" refers to the Old Testament. At the time that St. Paul was writing (50-65 AD), St. John had not even written his Gospel, Epistles, or Revelation (85-100 AD). Other books of the New Testament had not been written when St. Paul wrote, either. Trying to make the word "Scripture" mean the "New Testament" won't work, because there was no New Testament when St. Paul wrote to St. Timothy. This is my point. The "New Testament" as we know it was not in existence until the late 300's AD.

[Texas Patriot]

first let me say I am not a biblical scholar in any way. However I think that the only exception to this can be found in the Bible when king David laments the death of his infant son. God the Father presumably himself answers his cries to tell him that David's child is with Him and therefore in heaven. knowing this I think that this situation can be extended to all those incapable of rational thought.
however if your inquiry is about the proverbial bushmen.
The Bible says there is enough in God's creation (i.e. nature) to cause a person to seek after Him and that if anyone did that he would honor it (I believe by bring him to a saving knowledge of Jesus as Lord and Savior). However the Bible also says that no one seeks after God without Him prompting them to do so and then if they respond he will lead them to faith in Jesus.

[Leroy S. Mort]

Who is the sponsor of Emory University in Atlanta?

Emory is affiliated with the Methodist Church.

- Leroy (Emory Grad but not a Methodist - or a theologian)

[fish hawk]

I guess we can call them "Ians" now that the Christ part is removed.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>My conclusion is that the Episcopalians no longer qualify as a 'Christian' denomination.<<<

It is a liberal cult.

[Centurion2000]

Simple conclusion, by definition they are no longer christians.

I wonder who or what they are going to worship as God? Probably Mammon.

[Blessed]

>Who is the sponsor of Emory University in Atlanta?<

That other bunch of Liberals the Methodist.(a few southern congregations excepted)

[<1/1,000,000th%]

From the article:

"If we cannot affirm the unique salvific power of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are no longer a Christian church." Switching to a sarcastic tone, Howell declared, "We have no need for a Creed. Why do again what we did in the past?"

"This clearly shows that we are of a mind that does not affirm Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And we should not be surprised that our church is dying spiritually," said Howell.

[nanetteclaret]

I firmly believe everyone knows what this means. They just don't want to accept it. I find it ironic that even though people will argue endlessly that when the Bible says "God created the world in 7 days" it means literally seven 24-hour days, they will not take literally many of Jesus' words, such as this one and His statement that we must eat His Body and Blood. Even though God "really created the world in seven 24-hour days," Jesus "didn't really mean that" when He said difficult things. It is selective acceptance of the Truth of Scripture.

[fish hawk]

I'd be running with you, but of course, God will judge us as individuals not as churches or denominations, on our belief in His Son. I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands of Episcopalians that are, at this moment, making a decision on this and their future.

[Blessed]

>The word "Scripture" refers to the Old Testament<

Horse Hockey.The New Teastament is "God Breathed" and therefore qualifies as scripture.Your reasoning assumes a God that is bound by your rules and not one who sees all of History.

[jongaltsr]

By "pure" defination they are not Christians. Case Closed.

[DaveTesla]

"You'll notice that all of the writers of the New Testament were Apostles of Jesus"

My point exactly.
If there were other gospels were they written by the disciples?