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U.S. judge says no (Again)to group's bid to join Soledad cross case
San Diego Union ^ | June 20, 2006 | Onell R. Soto

Posted on 06/20/2006 9:25:38 AM PDT by radar101

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1 posted on 06/20/2006 9:25:41 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

There are no words for what I think of the judge in this case.


2 posted on 06/20/2006 9:30:07 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: ANGGAPO

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2443305_1?noconfirm=0#education


3 posted on 06/20/2006 9:31:55 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: radar101
Lousy liberals just cannot stand people worshiping or taking comfort in anything other then their own twisted "religion" of liberalism.

Ann Coulter really nailed it. No wonder they despise her so much.
4 posted on 06/20/2006 9:32:03 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: radar101

Is the city precluded from selling the plot of land upon which rests the cross?


5 posted on 06/20/2006 9:32:49 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: radar101
AS anyone can see, this is a MEMORIAL TO VETERANS. It is not a church. It is not claimed by any religion. ONE ATHIEST and his ACLU attorney want it gone. Our Judiciary goes along with those two instead of 76% of San Diego City voters.
6 posted on 06/20/2006 9:33:23 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: ANGGAPO
A Nixon stain on the bench I believe. Could be wrong.
7 posted on 06/20/2006 9:34:09 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Is the city precluded from selling the plot of land upon which rests the cross? Yes, that has been tried. The ACXLU claimed it was a method to avoid the Law.
8 posted on 06/20/2006 9:35:08 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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IF the issue is the cross being on federal land...then what could be the objection to transferring the land to a non government owner? Federal property is routinely sold and transferred.

This surely sounds like judicial hostility to religion, and a spiteful judge for sure...similar to the judges' personal animus against Terry Schindler's family.

Has the self-same atheist vet sued to have crosses removed from Arlington and other Veteran's cemeteries? Also maintained at federal/state expense.


9 posted on 06/20/2006 9:35:39 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: ANGGAPO

I can think of a few words.


10 posted on 06/20/2006 9:36:04 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport (Left's reaction to "GODLESS": "They haven't hated a book this much since the Bible." (pissant))
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To: radar101
The ACXLU claimed it was a method to avoid the Law. Ridiculous on its face!! The federal/state govts routinely transfer and disposes of properties, often to special interest groups (as in the case of transferring many of the nation's lighthouses to private groups). this forced judicial fiat barring sale or transfer of this piece of property seems obviously instigated by hostility to the free exercise of religion (part 2 of the infamous "separation clause").
11 posted on 06/20/2006 9:42:16 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: radar101

This will sound pretty vindictive but I like the image.

A lot of money is being spent on this case and, while there is a slight, very slight, chance that the judge will be reversed on appeal, the more likely outcome is that the cross will come down.

Why not let the cross come down, buy the house directly across the street from the judge's house (make the present owners an offer they simply can't refuse), tear it down, create an appropriate park, and put it up there? If necessary, get a special use zoning ruling to permit it's installation. Now certainly neither the judge or the athiests could object. It would, after all, be on private land. And it would be a fitting memorial to one of the judge's most important cases.

Not likely to happen but fun (for me anyway) to imagine.


12 posted on 06/20/2006 9:46:09 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: silverleaf
Has the self-same atheist vet sued to have crosses removed from Arlington and other Veteran's cemeteries? That is next!
13 posted on 06/20/2006 9:50:49 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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Can't Arnold do anything?


14 posted on 06/20/2006 9:57:02 AM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: radar101

On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
the emblem of suffering and shame;
and I love that old cross where the dearest and best
for a world of lost sinners was slain.

So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
and exchange it some day for a crown.


15 posted on 06/20/2006 10:11:43 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Hildy

Can't the President?


16 posted on 06/20/2006 10:12:01 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Is the city precluded from selling the plot of land upon which rests the cross?

It's been tried. The courts ruled the sales illegal.

17 posted on 06/20/2006 10:13:36 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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The city needs to rule the court illegal.


18 posted on 06/20/2006 10:22:05 AM PDT by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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I've heard that various groups are going to get a human chain going, in case they try to remove the cross. I've heard some quoted as saying that they will have to go through a large group of people if one day they send guys up to that mountain in a truck with tools to dismantle the cross.

This case shows how twisted the legal system and the interpretation of the establishment clause in the 1st amendment has become. As pointed out, this monument isn't an establishment of religion. Also, even if we accept the premise that a religious symbol doesn't belong on public land, the city has tried at least 3 land sales or donations that I know of, and the courts have overruled every single one. The courts have overruled every attempt of the city to dispose of the land so it wouldn't be on public property. Then recently this judge comes along and says the cross has to come down, though there are other appeals pending elsewhere in the legal system.

If there were a monument or statue up there in praise of the "Gay and Lesbian" community, do you think we would be having lawsuits to remove it?


19 posted on 06/20/2006 10:35:10 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Mayor Jerry Sanders has said that if the delay isn't granted, the city would comply with the judge's order.

Grow a pair Sanders, and tell this judge to stick it.

20 posted on 06/20/2006 12:03:07 PM PDT by jrp
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