Posted on 06/20/2006 8:26:45 AM PDT by gunnyg
The New York Times
June 18, 2006 Revisiting Sgt. York and a Time When Heroes Stood Tall By CRAIG S. SMITH
CHÂTEL-CHÉHÉRY, France — On Oct. 8, 1918, Cpl. Alvin Cullum York and 16 other American doughboys stumbled upon more than a dozen German soldiers having breakfast in a boggy hollow here.
The ensuing firefight ended with the surrender of 132 Germans and won Corporal York a promotion to sergeant, the Congressional Medal of Honor and a place in America's pantheon of war heroes....
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
The MSM was as inaccurate then as they are now--they have just changed sides since then...(they used to be on OUR side!)
No reason to think that the MSM was any more accurate during "The Great War" than they are now.
For instance...
"THE MARINES AS "DEVIL DOGS"
(Teufelhunden) WW I
Marines are generally of the belief that the name "Devil Dogs" (teufelhunden in German) comes from the WW I German army which described their enemy (the U.S. Marines) as teufelhunden, a name they had for wild dogs that roamed Bavaraia, etc. Most book accounts on this claim that this is documented in official German dispatches of the time. Apparently, no such documentation exists.
The following is from the book, "The United States Marines-A History," by Edwin Howard Simmons, Naval Institute Press,1974, 3dEdition. page 100....
"The Germans made their own sober assessment and begrudgingly allowed that the marines, with more experience, might be considered to be of storm-trooper quality. The marines earnestly told each other that the Heinies were calling them 'Teufelhunden,' or 'Devildogs,' but there is no evidence of this in German records."
In addition, I notice that in his book, "Soldiers Of The Sea," Col. R.D. Heinl, usually a very thorough and detailed historian/writer, mentions neither the term "Devil Dog" nor "teufel hunden" when discussing Belleau Wood, etc.
Anyone with factual knowledge of documentaion to the contrary of General Simmon's work, above, please be kind enough to advise me--my thanks."
-rwg
SEE ALSO: Myth #13 - DEVIL DOGS
http://www.furl.net/item.jsp?id=3925984
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More On Daly Whatever He Said--It Wasn't OohRah!!! -Dick Gaines
"Come on you sons of bitches--do you want to live forever?" attributed to Gunnery Sergeant Daniel Daly, at Belleau Wood, in June 1918* *Some accounts have it that Daly said, "Come on you crazy sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?" Daly himself denied having uttered any such vulgarity. When asked about the alleged statement, he told a reporter "You know a non-com would never use hard language. I said, For goodness sake, you chaps, let us advance against the foe."
On another occasion, however, Daly said, that his words were, "For Christ's sake, do you want to live forever?" and on yet another occasion claimed he'd said "Gracious, you chaps, do you want to live forever?"
Whatever it was Daly said, the sentiment has certainly been expressed before. Holding the line at the Battle of Malvern Hill (1June 1862), Nelson A. Miles (later a distinguished Indian fighter and Commanding General of the Army during the War with Spain) heard an unknown Confederate colonel lead an attack with the cry, "Come on! Come on! Do you want to live forever?" (Ref Marine Corps Book of Lists, Nofi, Combined Publishing, 1999, page 181)
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Floyd Gibbons and Belleau Wood
http://gunnyg.blogspot.com/2003_04_22_gunnyg_archive.html
:"The Marines got what the Army considered to be an inordinate amount of publicity for Belleau Wood. On 6 June, Floyd Gibbons had filed a story that began, 'I am up front and entering Belleau Wood with the U.S. Marines.' He was then badly wounded, including the loss of his left eye. Under the heavy-handed press censorship the names of of units and their locations were not ordinarily allowed in press dispatches. However, the censors, thinking that Gibbons was dying and had filed his last dispatch, allowed his story to go through uncensored. An American public, hungry for war news, seized upon the story that the Marines had saved Paris. This did not go down well with the Army, which chafed at the lack of mention of what the Army components of the 3d Division had done, to say nothing of the considerable contributions of the 3d Division at Chateau-Thierry. Worse, some newspapers gave the Marines credit for Chateau-Thierry itself. It was something that rankled the Army for many years to come."
-Simmons
In addition to the above account regarding Floyd Gibbons' dispatch and the resulting effect on the homefront public, and on the Army, there is this account from still another former Marine and author.
"Almost all of those Americans were doughboys, and they fought with the ferocity of soldiers robbed of their glory. Because of a slip in Pershing's iron censorship, the Marine brigade had been identified. It was the only unit so identified throughout the war, and as it happens when the press knows no other name, too often the glories of the doughboys were pinned on the breasts of the Marines. The Marines did not seek this distinction, although it helped to make the reputation of the Corps, but the doughboys thought that they did.Thus, the 2nd's infuriated soldiers took it out on the Germans dug in at Vaux on the right flank of Belleau Wood. They drove them out, and the first messenger of victory was a gigantic doughboy captain carried into a forward hospital with his legs in bloody splints. Sitting erect on his stretcher, groggy with ether, he cried out exhultantly: 'Oh, the goddam sonsabitches! The headline-hunting bastards! We showed the sonsabitches how to do it!'
The captain was not referring to the defeated German enemy."
-Leckie
And, in George B. Clark's book, "Devil Dogs-Fighting Marines of World War I,"--clearly the most detailed and factual account, of Marines In WW I to be found anywhere--the author states, in part, regarding the dispatch of 6 June, 1918, "...Gibbons, a war correspondent, ...was to have a greater impact on the Marine Corps, the AEF, and the folks at home than any other for sometime to come. He had taken the trouble to send a story to the censors in Paris, before the assault even took place, clearly intending to fill in a few colorful words after the fight was over. His being wounded the same afternoon was duly reported widely and reached the censor who had the story in Paris. Since Gibbons hadn't showed up at any aid station, the reaction was that he must have been killed. Therefore, the censor, a longtime former newsman and friend, allowed the story to go through uncut. That wouldn't have made much difference in most cases, but in this one its impact clouded relations between Marines and the U.S. Army for the next half century."
-Clark
Because Gibbons had, against AEF regulations, stated the unit he was with, the U.S, Marines, "...his bloodcurdling embellishment made it seem as though the Marines were the only American troops fighting in France...when Gibbons 'information' became known in the United States, along with the news of the desperate fighting...the public easily put two and two together and got the U.S. Marines for an answer...It would be the Marines that were fighting the Germans...as far as the American newspaper-reading public was concerned, and the army howled. The use of the word Chateau-Thierry, the name of a sector as well as a town, would infuriate the 3d Infantry Division...The 3d Brigade was equally in an uproar. 'Those publicity hungry gyrenes...etc.' The Marines were entirely blameless for the blunder, but soldiers of all ranks never accepted their excuses or forgave them."
-Clark
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And, on and on.
OOps....
Please delete!
Wonderful, so now they are tryiong to tear this hero down also?
What? Is it not enough to do it to present day heroes, they have to go back and try to knock down historic ones also?
Makes me sick.
I spit at them - ptoouie!
A person is never too dead for a NY Slimes hit piece.
DUPLICATE--please delete....
New York City trivia:
1. York Avenue (Upper East Side home of many Yuppies) was named after Sgt York.
2. Prior name of York Avenue: Avenue A.
Didn't know #1, and I lived just off of York Avenue for decades.
But I did know about the second bit of trivia. The old public school on 77th & York has "Avenue A" carved above the main entrance.
Exactly! During the Vietnam era J-schools began teaching that newspapers had passed on false stories to whip up patriotism, like the yellow journalism of the Spanish-American War or the false British stories of German atrocities in Belgium during WWI. There was a best seller entitled "The First Casualty" meaning truth.
Of course, what they don't realize is that in their zeal to stamp out false reporting in support of their country in war, they're just doing the same thing in reverse - slanting coverage against their own country's cause and in doing so presenting a false picture of the conflict. It's even worse now that it's so rare that any reporter has actual military experience.
Quote:
"It's even worse now that it's so rare that any reporter has actual military experience."
and not to mention so many non-vet elected officials, etc.
The draft had its benefits both good and bad--hell, Richard Nixon even got elected promising to end the draft-and he did!
Semper Fidelis
DickG
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The article says very, very little, really. The site investigation appears to have turned up nothing usable to prove anything at all, either supporting or disproving the story of York's actions. What a NOTHING newspaper story!
Right. Is Dresner's still on York?
It was still there in 2004. Haven't been below York & 79th since then, so I can't say if it's still there.
Even at the time Sgt. York downplayed his role. He was a humble man, he never was seeking glory for himself. BTW, my father, as a youngster, was friends with one of Sgt. York's sons. He has shared many meals at the York home. My Dad said Sgt. York was the real deal, a very humble, Christian man. York was always helping others and always had financial problems because he would not refuse to help others in need, friends and family alike.
The motto of lazy, indecisive, "fake but accurate" journalists.
ping
Sgt. Alvin York is one of the greatest heroes this country has ever had, but he was not a liberal or a humanist. Therefore the press must work to see that admiration for him is diminished.
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