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Church mulls 'phrasing' change for Holy Trinity
The Washington Times ^ | June 20, 2006 | Richard Ostling

Posted on 06/20/2006 4:35:44 AM PDT by pageonetoo

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- At some Presbyterian churches the Holy Trinity -- "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" -- will be out. "Mother, Child and Womb" is in.

Delegates to the national assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted yesterday to "receive" a policy paper on sex-inclusive language for the Trinity, a step short of approving it. Church officials are enabled to propose "experimental liturgies" with "alternative phrasings" for the Trinity, but congregations won't be required to use them.

Besides "Mother, Child and Womb" and "Rock, Redeemer, Friend," options include:
• "Lover, Beloved, Love"
• "Creator, Savior, Sanctifier"
• "King of Glory, Prince of Peace, Spirit of Love"

"This does not alter the church's theological position, but provides an educational resource to enhance the spiritual life of our membership," legislative committee chairman Nancy Olthoff, an Iowa laywoman, said during yesterday's debate on the changes.

The assembly narrowly defeated a conservative bid to send the paper back for further study, which would have killed it.

A panel that worked on the issue since 2000 said the classical language for the Trinity still should be used, but Presbyterians should seek "fresh ways to speak of the mystery of the triune God" to "expand the church's vocabulary of praise and wonder."..

(Excerpt) Read more at insider.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: babble; babel; blahblahblah; christian; church; gobbledegook; orwelianlanguage; towerofbabel; trinity
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To: k omalley
Yes, they have invaded everything, including my Catholic Church.

The difference is- the Catholic Church will come back-is coming back.

161 posted on 06/20/2006 6:34:43 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Miss Marple

We're well past blasphemy with this nonsense.


162 posted on 06/21/2006 7:54:33 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: pageonetoo

Does this atrophying NCC-by-way-of-Laodicea church still even believe in the Holy Trinity?


163 posted on 06/21/2006 8:31:29 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions, keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: chief911

I was wondering if ANYONE would get it!


I'm glad you did... That's one, at least!!!

:)


164 posted on 06/21/2006 9:58:06 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: longtermmemmory
mother=single unwed mother who does not need any man to raise a child
Child= fatherless child who is better off without the father
Womb= not a penis, because men are eeeeeevil.

C'mon now, you have to admit that "Father, Son and Penis" wouldn't quite make the grade, either. =^)

165 posted on 06/21/2006 10:11:11 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: corkoman
paper, rock, scissors!

LOL!

166 posted on 06/21/2006 9:27:24 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Reaganesque
How about: Parental Unit, Offspring and the Religiously Significant Non-Corporeal Being?

Careful, or you'll find yourself nominated to a PCUSA committee!

167 posted on 06/21/2006 9:39:10 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

"More craziness from our denomination" ping.


168 posted on 06/21/2006 9:40:12 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

You have GOT to be kidding me.

You guys just mislabeled a Scrappleface article, didn't you?

Didn't you?!


169 posted on 06/21/2006 9:42:37 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

I'm surprised that the didn't go with: "This, That, and The Other Thing."


170 posted on 06/21/2006 9:42:50 PM PDT by R_Kangel ("He who lives in glass houses should never invite "He who is without sin" into his house!!!!")
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To: alicewonders

What a horrible thing to say about kudzu. :P


171 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:22 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: alicewonders

After all, what did kudzu ever do to yu? :)


172 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:44 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: MountainMenace
As a Presbyterian, I can see where alternative phrasing such as "Creator, Saviour and Spirit of Love" can be used IN ADDITION TO the traditional Trinity phrase of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit." It's respectful and thought-provoking.

But as for "Mother, Womb and whatever" -- gimme a break!

173 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:51 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Leadership isn't the biggest issue. These types wouldn't be anywhere near the levers of power if the individual believers, all of the members of the body of Christ, were doing their proper jobs.

If each of us worked as hard propounding the scriptures as we did working on our jobs, excercising, or watching tv, this wouldn't be happening.

I'm guilty of that myself. It's something we ALL need to work and pray about.


174 posted on 06/21/2006 9:46:20 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: corkoman

RTOFLOL.


175 posted on 06/21/2006 9:46:29 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This can't be pointed out often enough.


176 posted on 06/21/2006 9:50:09 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Ciexyz

Is there a reason for this nonsense?


177 posted on 06/22/2006 3:31:41 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Constantine XIII

Over the years I've watched kudzu cover whole trees in the woods around my area - I figure someday it's coming for my house!

(Just like the liberals.)


178 posted on 06/22/2006 5:40:52 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Triggerhippie; chief911

Fun posts, but would you please explain "Marshal, Will, and Holly"?


179 posted on 06/22/2006 5:45:06 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque; pageonetoo; Miss Marple

Has anyone already done 'Burgess,MacLean, and Philby'?


180 posted on 06/22/2006 6:05:36 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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