District pulls plug on speech

Review Journal ^ | June 17, 2006 | Antonio Planas

[freedumb2003]

Already posted and discussed to death:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1652034/posts (428 posts)

[ViLaLuz]

"If Allah and Mohammad were substituted for God and Jesus in her sermon, you would be outraged...Be careful what you wish for."

I highly doubt it. I would expect a Muslim to praise Allah. If this were the case, anyway, I'm sure the school leadership would have applauded.

It's only the mention of Jesus Christ that drives the christophobic left into hysterics.

[mugs99]

LOL!
I'm not a secularist but can't go along with a culture war either. Guess I'll end up keeping that armadillo company.
Both sides are turning the Constitution into toilet paper.

[RightOnline]

"Don't take that path with me or I'll give you more than you bargained for."

Hit me.

[mugs99]

It's only the mention of Jesus Christ that drives the christophobic left into hysterics.

Christophobic...I love it!
Your point is a good one, but the hysterics are based on fear. This "culture war" was concocted by televangelists and the public fears the rise of Christian extremism. Many well remember the violence in Northern Ireland and the Baltics and fear we are headed in that direction.
Culture wars have brought down most of the great civilizations of history.

Many see this incident as a contrived confrontation. Was this girl innocently expressing her thanks to her God or was she a culture warrior striking a blow for her side?
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[mugs99]

Hit me
Bite me.
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[RightOnline]

You wrote it; I'm challenging you on it. Let's hear 'the dirt'.

....and don't ever pretend to talk to me that way again.

[mugs99]

You wrote it; I'm challenging you on it. Let's hear 'the dirt'.
Put it back in context...crusty one.
I wasn't talking about 'dirt'. I was talking about irrefutable fact.

and don't ever pretend to talk to me that way again
What way would you be referring to? I did not post to you. You posted to me. What are you going to do...Put a demon spell on me?
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[ViLaLuz]

"Your point is a good one, but the hysterics are based on fear. This "culture war" was concocted by televangelists and the public fears the rise of Christian extremism. Many well remember the violence in Northern Ireland and the Baltics and fear we are headed in that direction.
Culture wars have brought down most of the great civilizations of history."

I agree with you the hysterics of the christophobic are based on fear. The christophobes are terrified that there is a power greater than the god of "self." How dare anyone offend one's self?

It's also interesting that fundamental Christianity is now called extremist. It's kind of like "Jew" is supposed to be a dirty word.

I also agree there is a culture war going on, and that televangelists could very well be a part of it--although I don't have a TV so I don't know who in particular they are. I've seen this conspiracy brought up before and would like to know more about it. What exactly do you think is happening? Unscrupulous televangelists whipping up fears to collect offerings? I'd be interested if you could "name names."

Keep an eye on the jihadis. They are the ones who pushing "convert or die." Is this considered a cultural war? I see Christians around the world reaching out to relieve suffering.

Should people protect themselves against jihadi aggression? Isn't that what happened in the Baltics?

Back to the original argument, the real outrage in this whole article is that a student's first amendment rights are violated.

[mugs99]

I've seen this conspiracy brought up before and would like to know more about it. What exactly do you think is happening? Unscrupulous televangelists whipping up fears to collect offerings? I'd be interested if you could "name names.

I've never heard anyone mention conspiracy...Where did you hear that? "Offerings" are in the Billions...Did you know that? Since Herbert Armstrong gave birth to the televangelism con back in the sixties, the unregulated televangelism industry has grown to over 2,000 electronic preachers, including 80 nationally syndicated television pastors...All of them promising favors from God if you send them your money.
Fear mongering pays off as well as drug dealing.

But, lets get back to the real issue that caused you to challenge me. I posted documented fact on the ACLU. Bryan24 responded with an essay by Diane Dew attacking the ACLU. Diane led up to her ACLU attacks with her essay, "The Religion of Secular Humanism"..."Although some would deny that secular humanism is a religion, even the Supreme Court has recognized it as such. In Torkoso v. Watkins (1961)". I point this out for the simple reason that this Dew born myth has been repeated so many times by televangelists.

Diane was a liar. This case was not about Secular Humanism. This case was about the state of Maryland religious test for public office. The apellant was denied a commission as a notary public because he did not affirm his belief in God. The court said: "This Maryland religious test for public office unconstitutionally invades the appellant's freedom of belief and religion and therefore cannot be enforced against him."

Keep in mind that if a state can require you to believe in God, a state can just as easily require you to be an atheist. The court made the Constitutional decision.

If you want to look this case up yourself, the spelling is "Torcaso," not "Torkoso." [Case numbers: 367 U.S. 488.].

Now go back to Diane's tirade against the ACLU posted by Bryan24. She uses the same method of mispellings, half truths and outright lies.

If Christianity must use misinformation, lies and deceit to demonstrate its point, what does that say for Christianity?
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[ohioman]

Why don't you take your liberal arse over to DU. You have certainly hijacked this thread.

[mugs99]

Why don't you take your liberal arse over to DU. You have certainly hijacked this thread.

LOL!
I'm the only real conservative on this thread and I haven't hijacked anything. I responded to posts to me. Why don't you try to make a valid point instead of a childish temper tantrum?
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[ViLaLuz]

"I've never heard anyone mention conspiracy...Where did you hear that?"

I've read some things before of what you mentioned. I remember it being called a conspiracy. Sorry, I can't remember where I read that.

Thanks for the name. I will look into Herbert Armstrong. There are a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing on the prowl.

"But, lets get back to the real issue that caused you to challenge me."

I wasn't challenging. Just interested in what you had to say and wanted more details. Thank you for providing them.

"If Christianity must use misinformation, lies and deceit to demonstrate its point, what does that say for Christianity?"

Christianity by its very nature is not based on any form of deceit. If you see a "christian" using misinformation, lies or deceit, you can be sure this is a counterfeit. There is a lot of that going on these days--including those phony televangelist crooks you mention .

[mugs99]

Christianity by its very nature is not based on any form of deceit. If you see a "christian" using misinformation, lies or deceit, you can be sure this is a counterfeit. There is a lot of that going on these days--including those phony televangelist crooks you mention.

I agree with you 100%. I just wish more Christians would see the crooks for what they are. It really peeves me when I see quotes from these scoundrels being used as 'credible' sources by some FReepers.
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[ViLaLuz]

"I just wish more Christians would see the crooks for what they are."

Me, too. There are lots of false teachers out there, promoting false gospels, under the banner of Christian. The only way to discern them for what they really are is to be familiar with the Bible, so anything that rings false will raise a red flag.

By the way, I did read up on Herbert Armstrong and Armstrongism. Lots of red flags going up there. This man had a cult in a Christian wrapper. They believed that parts of the Bible were Satan-inspired, that there is no person of the Holy Spirit, and that we are all little gods. So how could they be truly Christian? Lots of good articles here:

Herbert Armstrong and Armstrongism

"It really peeves me when I see quotes from these scoundrels being used as 'credible' sources by some FReepers."

Yeah, I know what you mean. Christians really need to be vigilant in order to expose the wolves prowling in sheeps' clothing. Satan is extremely clever. I'd be interested to know some more of those sources you mention, if you can recall the names.

[mugs99]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Christians really need to be vigilant in order to expose the wolves prowling in sheeps' clothing. Satan is extremely clever. I'd be interested to know some more of those sources you mention, if you can recall the names.

The National Association of Evangelicals led by Ted Haggard of New Life Church is a branch of the Armstrong Worldwide Church of God cult. They include many famous names such as Jim Jones, Jim & Tammy Baker, Jimmy Swagert, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

There are just too many names to list. Any source connected to the National Association of Evangelicals or the Worldwide Church of God needs to be checked for credibility. Christians need to check the credibility of their sources themselves. I refute them as they pop up.
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[glennaro]

Even setting aside your support of the ACLU's position on Christianity and religion, you sound like a liberal what with the threats ("Don't take that path with me or I'll give you more than you bargained for.") and your response ("Bite me.")

You may be passionate, but mind your manners in this forum, sport.

[mugs99]

Even setting aside your support of the ACLU's position on Christianity

I do not support the ACLU on "Christianity". A simple search of my name would have shown you the many times I have opposed the ACLU.

I refute bogus references and outright lies, and I don't care which side they come from. I refute ACLU off base positions with fact. Those posting bogus claims only help the Liberal cause.

you sound like a liberal what with the threats ("Don't take that path with me or I'll give you more than you bargained for.") and your response ("Bite me.")

Put it back in context. Your creative editing of those two responses this late in the thread only show your dishonesty.

You may be passionate, but mind your manners in this forum, sport.

Is that a threat, sport?
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[ViLaLuz]

"There are just too many names to list. Any source connected to the National Association of Evangelicals or the Worldwide Church of God needs to be checked for credibility. Christians need to check the credibility of their sources themselves. I refute them as they pop up.

I agree with you 100% on that. The prophecies have warned us that we move closer to Christ's return, many false teachers will appear. I refute them, too, as I see them, and am always trying to learn more. Many people are good Christians who just don't know the backgrounds of these "preachers." Benny Hinn gives me the creeps--yet I know people who passionately follow him.

The problem is always an unsound message hidden by biblical window dressing. A good metaphor is a beautiful glass of water with a single drop of sewage in it. If you drink it, you could die.

[mugs99]

A good metaphor is a beautiful glass of water with a single drop of sewage in it

I have never heard it said better!
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