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N.Y. Cops In Pa. Fireworks Stakeouts (NYPD seizes cars of NYers who legally buy fireworks in PA)
NY Post ^ | June 19, 2006 | Larry Celona And Dan Mangan

Posted on 06/19/2006 8:10:58 AM PDT by dead

Undercover NYPD cops are cracking down on New York buyers of illegal fireworks by staking out Pennsylvania vendors - and, for the first time, seizing the cars of people who travel out of state to get their Fourth of July fireworks.

So far this year, cops have seized 30 vehicles belonging to New York ers as they return home from Penn sylvania after buying fireworks there, and have arrested 60 people, according to a report in New York magazine this week. The report says undercover cops have been watching Pennsylvania fireworks vendors and looking for New York license plates. The heightened enforcement comes after Mayor Bloomberg's law-enforcement officials noted an increase in illegal fireworks set off during last Fourth of July on Staten Island.

One Pennsylvania merchant, Bill Weimer, told the magazine that he asks New York police to quit taking pictures of his customer's license plates and leave his stores but that they go across the street and "give off that New York cop attitude."

In an odd twist, New Yorkers - who are barred from possessing fireworks in their home state - can legally buy them in Pennsylvania, which prohibits sales only to its own residents.

A law-enforcement source told The Post yesterday that the NYPD also has confiscated hundreds more cases of fireworks this year compared with last year. More than 1,000 cases have been seized to date, as against 150 last year...

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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To: verity

"Hoosiers are smarter than New Yorkers."

It took us a long time though. We're kind of slow at times.


101 posted on 06/19/2006 9:57:18 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: dead

I read the entire article and all post to that point. Shared the reason most areas make fireworks illegal. Sorry if that was not apparent.


102 posted on 06/19/2006 9:57:20 AM PDT by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils and in the end, you still have, well, evil.)
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To: BenLurkin
No trial. No jury. just sell it?

Wonder where they learned that from.

103 posted on 06/19/2006 10:01:21 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: gridlock
Hi gridlock-

"...Actually, all they have to do is stop you when you cross the bridge into New York. They can generate a list of license plates from the photographs, fax it home, and when your plate number comes up on EZ Pass, deploy the cruiser to pick you up. A quick search of the car (legal, because the surveillance established probable cause), and you're stone cold busted..."


The next thing you know out-of-staters are going to start using magic markers on their license plates when parked due to fear of surveillance! A quick stop on the side of the road a few miles away with a rag and bottle of rubbing alcohol and people will be on their way home. That's my prediction of what will likely occur. Most people have a distaste for cameras peering into their private lives.

~ Blue Jays ~

104 posted on 06/19/2006 10:01:32 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Dead Corpse
Humm, bad logic. We don't sell machine guns (or explosives) to idiots or small children.

Cars are a good product that can be used in ways that hurt folks, that's a given, fireworks outside of the hands of professionals is altogether a different matter.

I think it might best be summed up with "your rights end where mine begin"

I don't want my house burned down, my local park burned down or my property damaged - and fireworks make all that possible. YMMV.
105 posted on 06/19/2006 10:02:49 AM PDT by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils and in the end, you still have, well, evil.)
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To: MineralMan; SoothingDave
Hi MineralMan-

You would have reason to be concerned if people were launching professional-grade fireworks from their backyards. When professionals conduct displays like the Macy's Fourth of July fireworks, they launch them from barges out in the middle of the East River, for example. Yours was an interesting post.

~ Blue Jays ~

106 posted on 06/19/2006 10:04:46 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

Not a bad idea, there...

That, and using the CASH lanes while carrying a car full of illegal fireworks...


107 posted on 06/19/2006 10:06:51 AM PDT by gridlock (In Nov '06 the 'Pubbies will pick up 2 in the Senate and 4 in the House. You read it here first!)
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To: fortunecookie
I still can't believe they can seize the entire vehicle, instead of impounding it for a brief time or of merely seizing it's contents. Wow. I can't help but think of the ironies. NY guys busted, and losing their cars!, for coming here to buy a couple bottle rockets.

Evidently the "War on Drugs" can easily morph into the "War on Fireworks". I wonder what's next of the contraband list that'll trigger vehicle seizures.

108 posted on 06/19/2006 10:07:21 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Free Travis!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Really???? Texas allows sales twice a year for short periods.


109 posted on 06/19/2006 10:07:33 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Blue Jays

"You would have reason to be concerned if people were launching professional-grade fireworks from their backyards. When professionals conduct displays like the Macy's Fourth of July fireworks, they launch them from barges out in the middle of the East River, for example. Yours was an interesting post."




Thanks. I was quite surprised the first 4th of July by just how much was happening. I stay at home that night, now, ready to extinguish any "errors" made by my neighbors.

I'm torn on this kind of thing. On one side, I like to see people exercizing their freedoms. On the other, they're doing things that put my property at risk. But, so it goes...lots of things happen that shouldn't. Drawing the line is the difficult thing.


110 posted on 06/19/2006 10:09:17 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: dead

About fireworks...I have three words....Jeff 'toes' Steinman.


111 posted on 06/19/2006 10:10:23 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: gridlock
Hi gridlock-

Just to reiterate, that is my prediction of what is going to occur should this type of hamfisted enforcement continue. I certainly am not giving advice to all the scruffy young tearaways out there!

~ Blue Jays ~

112 posted on 06/19/2006 10:12:13 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: MineralMan
Thanks. I was quite surprised the first 4th of July by just how much was happening. I stay at home that night, now, ready to extinguish any "errors" made by my neighbors.

You are more likely to have difficulty with a cheap skyrocket than a mortar shell. Mortars lift off, fly straight up and do their thing. Skyrockets can fly pretty far and tend to fly in random directions.

Were I king, I'd allow shells before I allowed skyrockets.

SD

113 posted on 06/19/2006 10:15:18 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: MineralMan
Hi MineralMan-

It might be a good idea to give your yard a big soaking throughout the day before the festivities start. Then you only have to worry about really big embers.

~ Blue Jays ~

114 posted on 06/19/2006 10:15:38 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: dead

I used to buy my fireworks in the Bronx from a bootlegger.


115 posted on 06/19/2006 10:20:14 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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To: BenLurkin

Virginia ABC - rev'noors..stake out DC every Christmas Season for Virginians buying cheaper liquer in DC.
Around 4th of July, DC and suburban Maryland do the same for firworks bought in Virginia.
Silly buggers reckon turnabout to be fair.
My advice, shop early..


116 posted on 06/19/2006 10:24:17 AM PDT by Gunny P (Gunny P)
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To: ASOC
We don't sell machine guns (or explosives) to idiots

Yes we do. The BATFE is a prime example.

My Rights do end where yours begin. Should I be punished because some OTHER idiot can't shoot off fireworks/own class III weaponry/cars/swimming pools safely?

Punish the actor for damage done. Anything else is just giving in to anti-freedom tyranny. Yes, even for something as trivial as fireworks.

117 posted on 06/19/2006 10:24:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: ASOC
"I don't want my house burned down, my local park burned down or my property damaged - and fireworks make all that possible."

Not that I necessarily think you are wrong, but the things you list are already illegal (and possible) - your argument is more with the method than the madness.

118 posted on 06/19/2006 10:27:50 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: razorback-bert

In "the olden days" we used to just buy them in Chinatown.


119 posted on 06/19/2006 10:31:46 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: bmwcyle

"If we could just tie the fireworks to........."
Nasty Pelegra,,,,,,,,,er Nancy Pelosi!


120 posted on 06/19/2006 10:34:55 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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