Plameologists in Crisis: With Rove Off, CIA Leak Fans Wonder What’s Next

National Review ^ | 6/15/06 | Byron York

[Enchante]

They were there for a 90-minute discussion of the investigation and its related themes: the treachery and criminality of the Bush administration, the cowardice and submissiveness of the Washington press corps, and the courage and heroism of, well, themselves, in daring to expose it all.

The crowd was large and friendly; of all the panel discussions at YearlyKos, the CIA-leak panel attracted the biggest and most vocal audience. But as it turned out, the conversation was, despite the all-star cast, entirely unremarkable for anyone who has followed the left-wing blogosphere’s analysis of the CIA leak affair. Johnson called the actions of administration officials “treason.” Wilson gave his grand theory of the case. Froomkin called former New York Times reporter Judith Miller a “humiliated and discredited shill.” And Smith explained why she expected an indictment of Karl Rove.

[Enchante]

Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson joined Kos-freaks in an imbecilic discussion of their loony ideas. These guys are truly scoundrels and nutcases.

[Niteranger68]

We need pictures of this for the upcoming election season!

[Skip Ripley]

Hack comedians used to play the "Borscht belt". Wilson, Al Franken, Ward CHurchill, CIndy Sheehan and others like them are now working the "Moonbat belt". I'll bet it doesn't pay as well.

[Enchante]

Once again we find the unedifying spectacle of Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson communing with far-left vicious nutjobs. I wish Byron York had given some detail about what Joe Wilson described as his grand theory of the case, though it's probably just a re-hash of the nutty things Lyin' Joe has said in the past. The fact that Joe Wilson allied himself with leftist moonbats at The Nation and now Kos-freak-land says plenty about his outlook and motivations for smearing the WH and the entire war effort. Wilson's own activities and statements have received far too little attention from either the MSM or Fitzgerald, who have treated his every assertion with totally unwarranted confidence. He is not some truth-telling hero, he is scum.

[Suzy Quzy]

Didn't I read that Michael Schiavo joined the nutcases also?

[hsalaw]

“I allowed myself to become totally obsessed by this story,” Wheeler told the audience. “Probably more than is healthy.”

No sh*t, Sherlock. And it is just a "story" - based on the total fiction that Plame was a covert agent who could have been "outed" in the first place. If these losers would quit wasting their time on this totally fictional "story," they might actually get real jobs.

[Kenny Bunkport]

What's next? Scooter being aquitted.

[river rat]

Joe Wilson is exactly the sort of fellow that Dueling was meant to "address".....

Legalize Dueling.....
A Dueling society is a polite, and truth telling society..

Semper Fi

[sinkspur]

Back in the 1990s, the conservative philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife famously told the New York Times that the death of White House aide Vincent Foster was “the Rosetta Stone to the whole Clinton administration.” Decipher it, and you understand everything. Today’s Plameologists appear to believe something similar about the CIA-leak case. If it is just investigated enough, if someone can just get to the bottom of it, then all will be revealed.

I remember Alan J. Favish, a frequent poster here at one time, and his single-mindedness in pursuing the notion that Vince Foster and Ron Brown were both murdered. Staggering arrays of bandwidth were burned by the conspirazoids, looking at photographs of powder burns and autopsies. Chris Ruddy became famous with NewsMax over Vince Foster, then went over the cliff with his nutty theories.

The Plame affair has the same affect on the left. Both sides have their fringers.

[Marine_Uncle]

"He is not some truth-telling hero, he is scum."
Eventually he shall be shown for what he is.

[roses of sharon]

These kind of conspirazoids will always exist worldwide, it is simply human nature.

What is the crime here, is that the MSM has promoted them as serious people.

The MSM working for the DNC put pressure on the WH, CIA and Justice while promoting this myth of a story.

The sad fact is that we have no serious or professional journalists, only propaganda mongers who blackmail rightwing public officials to give in to the MSM demands, or else they will be hounded, shadowed, harassed and slandered.

Unfortunately our reps usually cave to that pressure, as they have for the last 40 years.

[roses of sharon]

I don't recall Ruddy being promoted, paid, wined, dined, complimented, interviewed hundreds of times, for every newspaper, morning show, Sunday show, entertainment show, pictorials done in People mag, Vanity Fair, and did Starr discuss his case with Ruddy over the phone as Fitz admits to with Wilson?

No, the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy was just that to the MSM, the right was mocked and marginalized, Starr was smeared as a perverted Christian, and Clinton is now, and was always, just a brilliant bad boy.

The scripts written by our keepers, the MSM, are completely opposite.

They are in charge of what the public knows and doesn't know, feels and doesn't feel, sees and doesn't see, STILL.

[vetsvette]

"Unfortunately our reps usually cave to that pressure, as they have for the last 40 years."

That's certainly true and has been true for a lot more than just the last 40 years. But, it's to be expected because the large majority of our "reps", as you call them, including the President himself, are elitists of strong liberal bias. The strong conservative or true libertarian is a rarity in Government. Most of the Republicans are better than almost all of the Dim's in this regard, of course, but the list of Senators and Congressmen that are devoid of "white guilt" and other forms of noblesse oblige is short.

Given this, the MSM has only to suggest that, if one doesn't accept both the existence of the current crisis du jour AND left-wing plans - in their every detail - to deal with this heretofore unknown crisis, he is by definition some combination of homophobic, racist, sexist, neandrathal, moronic, and on and on. To one suffering from deep personal guilt that he's both affluent and alive, the threat of such name calling is more than enough justification to forget his principles.

Such is the state of political life in modern America.

[Enchante]

"...spectacle of Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson communing with far-left vicious nutjobs"

Correction to myself: given the record we have seen, there is no basis for making any distinctions between Joe/Larry and the "far-left vicious nutjobs." They are all loony peas in one loony pod, to mix metaphors.

[sinkspur]

Of course Ruddy wasn't feted. But he was just as whacked out as Wilson is. I merely meant to point out that there are nutburgers on both sides. And many here were convinced that Hillary Clinton had Foster bumped off, and spent hours researching, even to the point of wandering around at Fort Marcy Park scouring for clues.

[dirtboy]

Wilson is. I merely meant to point out that there are nutburgers on both sides. And many here were convinced that Hillary Clinton had Foster bumped off, and spent hours researching,

There are several key differences here. First of all, Foster, a high-level government official, died from a gunshot, whereas Fitz has found no proof that Plame's outing was a crime - to the contrary, he is now claiming that doesn't matter in his prosecution of Libby.

And there was plenty of fishy stuff with Foster's death to raise questions - IMO the Clinton's were not involved, since they had to have his office raided after his death to get documents out. However, Foster still managed to drive to the park without his car keys, walk down a dirt path without getting dirt on his shoes, and shoot himself without getting blowback on his hand. Whereas the only shooting the Plame folks have done is at their own feet.

[roses of sharon]

And it is certainly true that strong conservatives and libertarians are rarely elected in all state and fed gov.

The public is swayed easily by negative ads, and the MSM who support those ads.

But there is always hope that more and more will begin have the courage to run and connect with the grassroots by way of the internet.

[Fresh Wind]

Foster still managed to drive to the park without his car keys, walk down a dirt path without getting dirt on his shoes, and shoot himself without getting blowback on his hand.

Yes, Foster was a really neat and tidy guy. After he blew his brains out, he even took the time to wipe all those messy fingerprints off his gun.

[roses of sharon]

No doubt the Clinton's were suspect, and yes, as I said, conspiracies are fun, tempting, and part of the human experience worldwide, but in the past have been kept underground.

We have become the Arab world where leaders and media alike wallow in dangerous propaganda in order to agitate.

The US has devolved into the same state, with very few leaders, opinion makers, press, the judiciary and officials putting an end to hysterical conspiracies.

It is now completely acceptable and outright encouraged to dehumanize your political enemy (this Pres), which leads to hate and radicalization.

[nopardons]

Thanks for the ping! :-)

It's taking longer, but this story IS going to blow up in the crazed lefties' faces; just as the "ROVE INDICTMENT" just did. Then, they'll have to find yet another phony story to hang their collective hats on.