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Documents: Al-Qaida sought U.S.-Iran war
AP on Yahoo ^ | 6/15/06 | Sameer N. Yacoub - ap

Posted on 06/15/2006 6:45:08 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A blueprint for trying to start a war between the United States and Iran was among a "huge treasure" of documents found in the hideout of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Iraqi officials said Thursday.

The document, purporting to reflect al-Qaida policy and its cooperation with groups loyal to ousted President Saddam Hussein, also appear to show that the insurgency in Iraq was weakening.

The al-Qaida in Iraq document was translated and released by Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie. There was no way to independently confirm the authenticity of the information attributed to al-Qaida.

Although the office of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said the document was found in al-Zarqawi's hideout following a June 7 airstrike that killed him, U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said the document had in fact been found in a previous raid as part of an ongoing three-week operation to track al-Zarqawi.

"We can verify that this information did come off some kind of computer asset that was at a safe location," he said. "This was prior to the al-Zarqawi safe house."

The document also said al-Zarqawi planned to try to destroy the relationship between the United States and its Shiite allies in Iraq.

While the coalition was continuing to suffer human losses, "time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance," the document said.

The document said the insurgency was being hurt by, among other things, the U.S. military's program to train Iraqi security forces, by massive arrests and seizures of weapons, by tightening the militants' financial outlets, and by creating divisions within its ranks.

"Generally speaking and despite the gloomy present situation, we find that the best solution in order to get out of this crisis is to involve the U.S. forces in waging a war against another country or any hostile groups," the document said, as quoted by al-Maliki's office.

According to the summary, insurgents were being weakened by operations against them and by their failure to attract recruits. To give new impetus to the insurgency, they would have to change tactics, it added.

"We mean specifically attempting to escalate the tension between America and Iran, and American and the Shiite in Iraq," it quoted the documents as saying, especially among moderate followers of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential Shiite cleric in Iraq.

"Creating disputes between America and them could hinder the U.S. cooperation with them, and subsequently weaken this kind of alliance between Shiites and the Americans," it said, adding that "the best solution is to get America involved in a war against another country and this would bring benefits."

They included "opening a new front" for the U.S. military and releasing some of the "pressure exerted on the resistance."

It pointed to clashes in 2004 between U.S. forces and followers of radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army militia as evidence of the benefits of such a strategy. Al-Sadr and his growing followers are among the fiercest advocates of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

It said the "results obtained during the struggle between U.S. army and al-Mahdi army is an example of the benefits to be gained by such struggle."

Al-Maliki's office said the document provides "the broad guidelines of the program of the Saddamists and the takfiris inside al-Zarqawi's group."

"Takfiri" is a reference to an extremist ideology that urges Muslims to kill anyone they consider an infidel, even fellow Muslims. It is the ideology that many Iraqis, especially in the Shiite community, use to describe al-Zarqawi and his followers.

The language contained in the document was different from the vocabulary used by al-Qaida statements posted on the Web. For example, it does not refer to the Americans as "Crusaders" nor use the term "rejectionists" to allude to Shiites.

Much of what is in the statement from al-Rubaie echoes results that the U.S. military and the Iraqi government say they are seeking. It also appears to reinforce American and Iraqi arguments that al-Qaida in Iraq and its operatives are a group of imported extremists bent on killing innocent civilians.

Al-Qaida in Iraq has been blamed for thousands of deaths, hundreds of bombings, kidnappings and assassinations in the past three years. Al-Qaida in Iraq's own hatred of the Shiites is well-documented and al-Zarqawi has repeatedly called on Sunnis to rise up and kill them.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; documents; geopoliitcs; globaljihad; gwot; iran; iraq; sought; terrorism; war; waronterror; wot; zarqawi
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To: jmc1969
Rummy's notions on war are great for conventional wars, they are moronic for policing countries.

The Iraqi people are the ones who should be policing their country. Iraqis replace coalition soldiers as the Iraqis are trained. Eventually, there will be no need for the US to police Iraq at all.
61 posted on 06/15/2006 1:46:15 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Now that Zarqawi is dead, who will the Democrats nominate in 2008?)
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To: NormsRevenge; F14 Pilot

Bump.


62 posted on 06/15/2006 2:41:13 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

We had an Iraqi Army and police force that General Abazaid origionally intended to retrain and use to police the country. Bremer and Wolfawitz disbanded them on the advice of Chalabi.


63 posted on 06/15/2006 3:29:43 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: Question Liberal Authority; jmc1969
jmc1969, what is your model of a successful occupation of a country against a counter-insurgency in modern times (post WW-II)?

There is the example of the British in Malaysia, I don't believe this was achieved with a large occupying force.

In Vietnam, we defeated the insurgency as we drew down troops and the South Vietnamese took over.

In addition, when it comes to Rumsfeld, we are talking about a man who has long challenged diplomatic niceties, achieved success in business as well as gov't, has no further political ambitions to sway his reason, and asks the tough questions of his own policies. I would therefore credit that he has looked at a whole raft of implications of small force vs large force.
64 posted on 06/15/2006 3:39:55 PM PDT by kenavi (Save romance. Stop teen sex.)
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To: jmc1969
The "Tyranny Of Distance" is very real, and Rummy was correct.

The number of Americans killed by the Iraq Army in the past 3 years combined is 0, nadda, zippo.

Say what you want about the insurgency, but Saddam's Iraq Army has been defeated.

65 posted on 06/15/2006 3:49:28 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Having our troops in Afghanistan, Iran's eastern front, and in Iraq, Iran's western front has very important leverage that has yet to be realized.


66 posted on 06/15/2006 3:51:50 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Seems to me that Iran's current president is doing a pretty good job of that all by himself.


67 posted on 06/15/2006 4:18:46 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: ChadGore

Saddam's Army was defeated in April 2003 and was begging US commanders in May 2003 to be allowed to be rehired.

Blair himself has admitted we screwed and every commander in the Army will tell you that.

When you have a hard core conservative like Ben Stine saying today that he loves president Bush, but Rummy just doesn't know how to police a country you know there is something wrong.

You can't tell me that Rummy was right in early 2004 to try to force the number of US troops under 100,00.


68 posted on 06/15/2006 4:26:46 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

100,000


69 posted on 06/15/2006 4:27:07 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969
You can't tell me that Rummy was right in early 2004 to try to force the number of US troops under 100,00.

Being that I was there in early 2004, virtually NO ONE anticipated how organized Al Qaeda became in Iraq. It was very very quickly from a nuisance to a full-brown terrorist insurgency.
70 posted on 06/15/2006 4:29:01 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: jmc1969

Blair himself has admitted we screwed up.




Actually he didn't say disbanding the Iraqi Army persay was a mistake, he said how we dealt with Saddam's Baath party was the biggest mistake.


71 posted on 06/15/2006 4:29:28 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: MikefromOhio

100,000 troops is just about enough to police the capital of Iraq alone and nowhere near enough to police even 1/2 the country. Even if al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't show up you still would have the massive growth of criminal gangs which would have quickly turned into militias as the Madhi Army did.

Think about it this way, what happened was similar to what would happen if the police force in NY City was disbanded overnight and a foreign police force 1/3rd as big that didn't know the area, the language, or the people was sent in to police NY.

What would happen would be gangs would quickly develop in parts of NY City and turn into militia like super gangs which would basically take over parts of the city and war with each other over parts of the city.

Even without any help from Iran or foreign jihadists major problems with violence were inevitable given the lack of security forces in Iraq which created a massive security vacuum.


72 posted on 06/15/2006 4:42:21 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969; Allegra
100,000 troops is just about enough to police the capital of Iraq alone and nowhere near enough to police even 1/2 the country.

that's about where I stopped. That's a simply HILARIOUS assumption on your part. Leave the military decisions to the military and just stop ok?
73 posted on 06/15/2006 4:43:35 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: NormsRevenge
The document said the insurgency was being hurt by, among other things, the U.S. military's program to train Iraqi security forces, by massive arrests and seizures of weapons, by tightening the militants' financial outlets, and by creating divisions within its ranks.

In other words, our strategy is and was working.

74 posted on 06/15/2006 4:46:29 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: jmc1969

Maybe, maybe not. It is all speculation in hindsight...but the removal of some problems could lead to others if that particular treck had been taken. We'll never know one way or the other.


75 posted on 06/15/2006 4:48:10 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MikefromOhio

Nouri Badran the interim Minister of Interior under Prime Minister Allawi said 100,000 police and military forces was the end goal for Baghdad.


76 posted on 06/15/2006 4:50:19 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: NormsRevenge

In other words, in spite of the doom and gloom we hear from the media, we are winning the war in Iraq! Who knew??? :-) The foreign enemy knew! The domestic enemy was lying as usual.


77 posted on 06/15/2006 4:54:16 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: jmc1969
Nouri Badran the interim Minister of Interior under Prime Minister Allawi said 100,000 police and military forces was the end goal for Baghdad.

Yes US and Iraqi combined, with increasing emphasis on IRAQI. Baghdad isn't that big. 100,000 of our guys would be a bad idea, especially since most of our issues were south and west of Baghdad itself. Don't try this path, you'll lose.
78 posted on 06/15/2006 4:56:21 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: MikefromOhio

We allowed the Madhi Army to slowly take over security and checkpoints for Sadr City, because they weren't fighting US at least until mid 2004 and they were providing security in a area were there was no significant government security forces.

You need a certain number of security forces per person to prevent gangs and organized crime from taking root. Zarqawi was basically and organized crimial on steroids who had access to weapons, money, and explosives.

How many security forces today are in Baghdad if you include Iraqi police, Iraqi Army, Americans, Badr, and Madhi? I would bet that would be around 100,000 or more. Was Allawi's Interior Minister right that 100,000 policing forces were need for Baghdad? Maybe. It could be that less would be needed if not for the Middle Eastern problem with corruption and if the insurgency wasn't already a problem.

What I do know is you need a certain number of policing forces per person to maintain order or you have problems no matter if you are talking about Chicago, NY City, or Iraq.


79 posted on 06/15/2006 5:14:54 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jw777
"So, since Iran's "president" keeps ratcheting up the rhetoric almost trying to start a war, in keeping with what is written in this document, it is safe to conclude that he has direct ties to al qaida, no? "

It’s safe to conclude he likes his face in the news and oil at $70 a barrel.

80 posted on 06/15/2006 8:12:56 PM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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