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The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops policy paper on its support of illegal immigration
U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops ^ | Walter Ewing

Posted on 06/14/2006 4:52:10 PM PDT by garbageseeker

I am posting this article because very few people know that the Catholic Church is going out of their way to make sure CIRA is the law of the land. The church has supported illegal immigration for many years and they have been active in getting CIRA passed. I also publishing this article in the hopes that the many Catholics who support the House of Representatives would know what their church is doing on the illegal immigration issue in the United States. I really do not think that Roman Catholics know the churches position on this matter.I know that there are many Catholics out there who support the "borders enforcement only" approach, not the approach the pro-illegal immigrant. approach our leaders has taken.


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To: garbageseeker

And I'm sure the church would like to start paying taxes too. I'm sick of people trying to get to Heaven by stepping on me. Let them go south of the border and change laws so these people can stay in their home countries.


181 posted on 06/14/2006 10:33:56 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: garbageseeker
Show me any of the Cardinals Statements that deal with this issue that are in a liberation Theology vein. There are none. Talking about the poor and the concerns of the migrant and their familes does not equal a Theological movement that advocated a class struggle and if needed violent Revolutionary change as the Church as its agent
182 posted on 06/14/2006 10:34:26 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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To: sinkspur

"A Catholic belonging to the Masons is not a "side" issue. Catholics are forbidden from joining Lodges."

If you're his pastor, then its between you and him, but FR is not the place for declarations on such personal matters, and it's a side issue vis a vis the topic. An atheist could show up here and jon the debate ... actually a few have. you made your point, let it rest.


183 posted on 06/14/2006 10:34:36 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG

What do you think it means in your own words, and what does it mean, when it comes to the matter of the free transfer of labor inputs? Those who have really grasped a matter, don't need to do cut and paste, and prefer not to. I least that is my preference. I rarely do cut and paste in the reply mode. I prefer to post my own thoughts, perhaps with a link.


184 posted on 06/14/2006 10:35:34 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur
[Pope] Eugene was wrong about shedding blood for Christ.

It was an infallible declaration. How could it have been in error? In order to say that, you would have to deny the first Vatican council's declaration concerning infallibility, and deny it point blank. Clearly this door is slammed shut.

It is formally defined as "baptism of Blood," and is the method by which the Holy Innocents, who were not baptised, were saved.

It was never formally defined anywhere at all.

You really do need to learn some basic ecclesiology. And you need to learn what "in the Church" means so that you will understand Eugene's statement.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

185 posted on 06/14/2006 10:35:39 PM PDT by reductio
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To: Torie

Liberation theology explores the relationship between Christian theology (usually Roman Catholic) and political activism, particularly in areas of social justice, poverty, and human rights. The main methodological innovation of liberation theology is to do theology from the viewpoint of the economically poor and oppressed of the human community.

Sounds like the policy paper of the UCSSB on illegal immigration and the stance Cardinal Roger Mahoney and his position on illegal immigration.(Religious Marxism)


186 posted on 06/14/2006 10:35:51 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: WOSG

Bump


187 posted on 06/14/2006 10:37:07 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: sinkspur
Let me guess: Pius XII was wrong.

Allow me to put you in a corner. Guess further... wrong about exactly what?

188 posted on 06/14/2006 10:37:39 PM PDT by reductio
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To: reductio
I get it. You're one of those trads who insists that any one is not formally a Catholic is going to hell.

A Feeneyite.

Persist in your error. You are contradicting the Church.

189 posted on 06/14/2006 10:37:43 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: catholicfreeper

Your fighting a losing battle.


190 posted on 06/14/2006 10:37:47 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: garbageseeker

I don't quite follow how concern for the poor translates into immigration policy myself. Concern for the poor raises a host of complex issues when it comes to public policy, and at some point, such complexity goes way beyond theology as to ways and means. It requires other expertise that most theologians don't possess.


191 posted on 06/14/2006 10:39:18 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur

And what is a Catholic who denies papal infallibility as you have above, and who believes in salvation outside the Church against the clear position of the Catholic Church, as you have?


192 posted on 06/14/2006 10:41:09 PM PDT by reductio
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To: garbageseeker

LOL, no am I am not. This has nothing to do with Marxism. Its quite clear looking at the numerous documents from the Vatican that Marxism is not a issue here.


193 posted on 06/14/2006 10:41:44 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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To: sinkspur

I don't mind being consigned to hell, Sink, if there is a hell. If that is my fate, something is wrong with the cosmos, and it really isn't my fault, that the cosmos is a faulty tower.


194 posted on 06/14/2006 10:42:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
It does if you read the tenants of Liberation Theology and the roots of Liberation Theology. It is belief started primarily from Latin America among the Left wing of the Church. Many of those leaders are now leaders of the church here in America(especially in places where are high concetrations of Latins).
195 posted on 06/14/2006 10:42:56 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: catholicfreeper

Your dying on the vine. The USCCB policy paper on illegal immigration is exposed as part of the Marxist beliefs of "Liberation Theology".


196 posted on 06/14/2006 10:44:32 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: reductio

Arguing with a Feeneyite is a waste of time. You are going to be surprised who is in heaven, my friend. Baptism of desire, baptism of blood. Look 'em up.


197 posted on 06/14/2006 10:45:02 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: garbageseeker
Your fighting a losing battle.

And you, our dear Masonic member, are in material sin.

198 posted on 06/14/2006 10:46:09 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur

A person who has resorted to name calling has lost the battle.

Be gone.


199 posted on 06/14/2006 10:46:44 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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To: garbageseeker

Also nothing here in the immigration debate has seem to advocate a classless society. That was the struggle for many that advocated it.

This debate is about:
The issue of Worldwide migration
The issue of the migrant
The issue of the poor and the abilty to work
The ability of a State to control its borders and regualate its on well being
The issue of the family and human dignity.

I have seen nothing that approaches anything to Marxism in any mainstream at least discussion of this issue.


200 posted on 06/14/2006 10:46:54 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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