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Dying Brit climber 'too big' to rescue off Everest (the REAL story)
Star Times ^ | 6/13/06

Posted on 06/14/2006 5:50:58 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside

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1 posted on 06/14/2006 5:50:59 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

OK are we dealing with a politically correct euphemism here? Does "big" mean he was FAT? Or does "big" mean he was 6'8" 265 lbs?


2 posted on 06/14/2006 6:02:02 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Mr. Brightside

It is a shame, but they KNEW the risk going up.


3 posted on 06/14/2006 6:03:54 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Note to self: Skip climbing Mt Everest.
4 posted on 06/14/2006 6:05:35 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Blueflag
Does "big" mean he was FAT? Or does "big" mean he was 6'8" 265 lbs?

Fat people rarely are found climbing mountains, especially difficult climbs like Everest. This individual was probably tall and weighed in excess 200 lbs.

5 posted on 06/14/2006 6:10:21 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Mr. Brightside

I just have to wonder, in this day and age, if the REAL reason they didn't attempt a rescue was because of the condition of his arms and legs. Perhaps they played God and decided that his "quality of life" wouldn't be "worth it" considering he would probably be a quadruple amputee if he survived.


6 posted on 06/14/2006 6:10:55 AM PDT by Reddy (America, Bless God!)
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To: Blueflag
"...Sharp was lying on top of the body of an Indian climber known as "Green Boots". The Indian's body had been in a small 8500m high cave since 1996..."

The "big" issue is interesting because if he were to big how would he fit (crawl) into the small Green Boots cave? Sad story but the Mt sure seems to weed out climbers.
7 posted on 06/14/2006 6:15:03 AM PDT by mcshot (Enemies pouring through our gates and others holding office under false pretenses.)
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To: Blueflag

was the dying guy climbing alone? wierd


8 posted on 06/14/2006 6:15:28 AM PDT by conservative physics
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To: beef

Yes, skip Everest. It has become a zoo, way too many unskilled folks with too much money to spend on bragging rights. A blind man climbed it....c'mon, it is no longer the challenge it once was. However, you DO sound like the kinda guy who would enjoy K2.


9 posted on 06/14/2006 6:18:17 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: BluH2o

If his arms and legs were frozen to the elbows and knees, it seems like they could have "made him smaller".


10 posted on 06/14/2006 6:19:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: BluH2o

I realize the logic of your reply is compelling. That would not stop, however, someone 'fat' making an illogical attempt on Everest.


11 posted on 06/14/2006 6:20:03 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: cripplecreek

Someone would have had to make a careful(?) exam to discern his limbs were frozen. Or perhaps they just could not articulate the joints. hmmm.


Many missing details/facts still.


12 posted on 06/14/2006 6:21:23 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag
OK are we dealing with a politically correct euphemism here? Does "big" mean he was FAT? Or does "big" mean he was 6'8" 265 lbs?

I too noticed the lack of detail there and went searching. I found two URLs with pictures, for what they're worth:

Undated photo with smh.com.au story

2003 photo

13 posted on 06/14/2006 6:22:21 AM PDT by Lonely Bull
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Not likely. They saved themselves. In such an environment it is impossible to assist anyone down. This is not rock-hopping in the Tetons. Everyone on such a climb is in grave danger. Considering the degree of frost-bite and the likely incoherent state, it would be impossible for several people to get him down without dying themselves. Hillary is a great climber, but in this case I think he spoke ill of a fellow Kiwi before all the facts were in.


14 posted on 06/14/2006 6:23:03 AM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: Mr. Brightside

People need to stop struggling with the concept that you can get yourself into a situation where others are physically incapable of getting you out. I'm not sure why this is so hard for personal responsibility hawks on this board to understand.

They couldn't rescue him. End of story.


15 posted on 06/14/2006 6:23:42 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: Mad Dawgg; Paddlefish; Darkwolf377; kralcmot; abner; DoctorMichael; pepperdog; eddie willers; ...
New information in this account:

There was nearly EIGHT HOURS between the time the ascending climbers passed the man in trouble and the time he was actually noticed.

He was laying on top of an already dead body, making him harder to notice.

Temperature was cold and masks were fogged/frozen up, making vision difficult.

The Sherpa climbers were already helping two others in need.

The leader of the group "that walked right past a dying man" had participated in 15 other rescues.

And lastly, the man's legs and arms were frozen so badly he could not even stand on his own, making it impossible to get his body down the icy mountain slope.
16 posted on 06/14/2006 6:29:03 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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Unfortunately people die in the Himalaya, even at lesser altitudes and on more navigable terrain than the top of the 3rd Hilary Step.

Having been up to the Everest region, at a certain level of altitude and acclimatization every step becomes a fight and a struggle, and the paramount chores are (a) breathing and (b) putting one foot in front of the other. Guides - they struggle too - bear the additional burden of worrying about and assisting their clients.

And that's the bottom line here: the guides who are being accused had to make hard decisions about the survival of their clients versus the survival of a climber who was in near-death state.

By helping the stricken climber, they would also be paying much less attention to their own clients (at altitude, thinking is very sequential and it's a struggle to think clearly and carefully). It's pretty obvious to me that they put their clients first, which was the right thing to do (even if the clients didn't like it or understand it).


17 posted on 06/14/2006 6:32:34 AM PDT by angkor
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To: cripplecreek
If his arms and legs were frozen to the elbows and knees, it seems like they could have "made him smaller".

You are bad. Now go to your room.

18 posted on 06/14/2006 6:32:52 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

Just tryin to help.....says Jeff Dahmer.


19 posted on 06/14/2006 6:33:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Blueflag
OK are we dealing with a politically correct euphemism here? Does "big" mean he was FAT?

Expect a court challenge from the ACLU.

20 posted on 06/14/2006 6:34:30 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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