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C-5 accident investigation board complete
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Posted on 06/13/2006 6:11:40 PM PDT by SandRat

6/13/2006 - SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill (AFPN) -- The results of an investigation into the C-5 Galaxy crash at Dover Air Force Base, Del., on April 3 found that human error was the cause, Air Mobility Command officials released today.

The accident investigation board determined the pilots and flight engineers did not properly configure, maneuver and power the aircraft during approach and landing.

Following a normal takeoff and initial climb, the C-5 aircrew observed a No. 2 engine “Thrust Reverser Not Locked” indication light. They shut down the No. 2 engine as a precaution and returned to Dover AFB. The board determined that during the return to the base:

-- The pilots and flight engineers continued to use the shut-down No. 2 engine’s throttle while leaving the fully-operational No. 3 engine in idle.

-- Both instructor and primary flight engineers failed to brief, and pilots failed to consider and use, a proper flap setting.

-- The pilots’ attempt at a visual approach to runway 32 resulted in the aircraft descending well below a normal glidepath for an instrument-aided approach or the normal visual flight rules pattern altitude.

-- The aircraft commander failed to give a complete approach briefing that would have included non-standard factors, configuration, landing distance and missed approach intentions.

All 17 people on board the C-5 survived the crash, but three crewmembers were seriously injured when the aircraft stalled, hit a utility pole and crashed into a field about a mile short of the runway. The other passengers and crewmembers sustained minor injures and were treated and released from local hospitals.

The aircraft was assigned to the 436th Airlift Wing and was flown by members of the 512th Airlift Wing, a Reserve associate unit at Dover. It was bound for Ramstein Air Base, Germany, and was carrying 105,000 pounds of replenishment supplies for the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: accident; board; c5; careerender; complete; investigation

1 posted on 06/13/2006 6:11:44 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat
The board did a good job. That is what they have to do.

Aviation is serious business.

2 posted on 06/13/2006 6:24:57 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Cockpit Recorders Don't lie.


3 posted on 06/13/2006 6:28:33 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SkyPilot

Randy, you said next week the report would be out, you sure meant early next week! :D


4 posted on 06/13/2006 6:29:54 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I thought that I was supposed to accomplish something before I was allowed to be proud of myself.)
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To: SandRat

I received this in email a short time ago. No cover up here -- board told exactly what happened. Look how fast this report came out as opposed to civilian reports!


5 posted on 06/13/2006 6:53:02 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Elect Bob Sullivan OK Governor -- Throw out Dem Gov DoLittle Henry in 2006!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Well,... you know where real Honor resides.


6 posted on 06/13/2006 7:04:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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What typically happens to the Flight Crew/Pilots with a finding such as this?


7 posted on 06/13/2006 7:20:41 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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For that you'll have to find a former Flight Rated AF VetFReeper, I'm just a poor ground-pounder.


8 posted on 06/13/2006 7:22:52 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Thats a lot of hardware to entrust to a crew that does not know where the throttles are.

Perhaps there's something to be said for the move away from fly by wire.


9 posted on 06/13/2006 8:11:27 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: headstamp
If the Accident Board determines there was aircrew error, and this is the case, one or more members of the aircrew (pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer/s) will likely be grounded, either until they are determined fit to fly again, or (more likely) permanently. Personally, I think the aircraft commander needs to be grounded. My info sources tell me he was the one crewmember most familiar with the "glass cockpit" modified C-5. The flight engineer being trained could easily go back to flying, the one doing the training could likely see his flying days end. The co-pilot is a toss-up, as I understand he wasn't that familiar with the glass cockpit, and he could easily be put back into remedial training. It will likely be a while before we find out what happens to the aircrew, if we ever find out at all.
10 posted on 06/13/2006 8:29:24 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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It didn't have anything to do with the glass cockpit.


11 posted on 06/14/2006 3:55:51 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I see dumb people, they're everywhere. They don't even know they're dumb.)
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Task saturation (driven by the glass cockpit layout,) was a causal factor, according to my sources, one of which was in the investigation team.


12 posted on 06/14/2006 5:20:57 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: JRios1968

Ok, well, one of the team members told ME that the glass cockpit had nothing to do with it. :D Dueling team members.
I'll send you his name if you want. He explained to it me at length. (more than i ever wanted to know!) :D


13 posted on 06/15/2006 1:00:59 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I've seen the village, I don't want it raising my children)
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That's ok. I know quite a few of them, and it surprises me that they can say the aircrew made obviously wrong choices and decisions that led to the crash, on a newly modified aircraft, then say the mod had nothing to do with the crash.


14 posted on 06/15/2006 5:11:54 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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hehe, don't ask me, my husband works on planes, not pilots them. And they are fighter jets, not the elephantine C-5.

Are you at Robins?? We live near there.


15 posted on 06/15/2006 8:30:59 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (i thought that I was supposed to accomplish something before I was allowed to be proud of myself.)
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Nope...I am at Travis. We usually wind up picking up Dover's mess and helping them wipe their bottoms.


16 posted on 06/15/2006 9:02:45 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: JRios1968

ugh! Bad visual. :D


17 posted on 06/16/2006 7:15:49 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I've seen the village, I don't want it raising my children)
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To: headstamp

Well if they are well connected like McLame nothing.


18 posted on 06/16/2006 7:22:23 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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To: Shimmer128

LOL exactly! And yet, so true.


19 posted on 06/16/2006 8:29:43 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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