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F-22 RAPTOR SCORES DIRECT HIT IN TESTING OF SUPERSONIC, HIGH-ALTITUDE JDAM DROP(50,000ft.drop)
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Posted on 06/13/2006 10:15:56 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME

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To: Aquinasfan

I would think it's not classified because it's basic, for the F-22, capabilities, but nothing technical. Any enemy or potential enemy knowing this information about the F-22 doesn't make them able to prevent it or do anything about it. There is nothing they could do to prevent this. There's no where to hide from that.


101 posted on 06/13/2006 11:53:58 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: VRWCmember

Yeah and there are so many similarities between the 22 and 35, you can tell they're related. More like siblings than cousins. :) Though the F-35 is a single engine job and I wonder if it will be as versitile as the 22 is. The 22 seems like the replacement for the F-15, a heavy longer range job, and the F-35 a replacement for the F-16, shorter range, maybe more maneuverable in tight fight jobs. That's what it seems like anyway. With two engines, I would imagine the F-22 can carry ordinance that the F-35 can't carry. Right?


102 posted on 06/13/2006 11:57:26 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: All
The F-22 is in most ways beyond the capabilities of the F-35

The F-22 can supercruise at Mach 1.72, and has a top speed of Mach 2.42 (though it may actually go faster).

Congress currently plans to buy only about 165 F-22s, down dramatically from the 750 originally envisioned.

The F-22 is designed to do far more than take out enemy radar installations, though that would indeed be one of its strong points. It routinely outfights F-15s at a 5-1 ratio during combat exercises.

As others have pointed out, this test indicates that the F-22 will be able to take out targets while traveling at altitudes and velocitites that will make the airplane extremely difficult to acquire, let alone engage.

103 posted on 06/13/2006 11:58:01 AM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: VRWCmember
"Yes, but they love the iranian mullahs that hate W even more than they oppose nuclear power, so they would find a way to bitch about it."

If only the Raptors could be employed against the libs and mullahs....enemies foreign and domestic......

104 posted on 06/13/2006 12:00:16 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JRios1968

I was just imagining Mach 1.5 and 50K feet!

(Great minds drift alike? ;))


105 posted on 06/13/2006 12:01:03 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"JDAM" is not a bomb per se. It is a guidance package (GPS-guidance package nose section and steerable tail section) that is attached to a plain old "dumb" iron bomb from USAF stock.

This one happened to be attached to a 1,000 lb bomb. The JDAM that whacked Zarkman was on a 500 lb casing.

The impressive aspect of this hot to me was that it was done at well above the speed of sound (Mach 1.5), from an altitute of 9 1/2 miles, and at a stand-off distance of 24 miles. Anyone near the target would have had no idea that any aircraft was anywhere in the vicinity. Just...BOOM!

106 posted on 06/13/2006 12:04:14 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Thank you for the specifics you included in your post Senator. I was almost ready to Google for more info.


107 posted on 06/13/2006 12:05:04 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: pghkevin

Proof of the - Raptor/JDAM system.


108 posted on 06/13/2006 12:07:11 PM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: StJacques

The JDAM guidance package(s) can go on smaller than 1,000 lb bomb casings. The JDAM that whacked Zarky was a 500-pounder.


109 posted on 06/13/2006 12:08:09 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: NCC-1701

Spot on right post. Love your tagline. For a second, I thought that was me. My thoughts EXACTLY!!! Bravo. :)


110 posted on 06/13/2006 12:08:27 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Come to think of it, starting at 9.5 mile altitude and Mach 1.5 velocity, that bomb would have had a heck of a lot of kinetic energy. Even a solid concrete bomb body (no warhead) launched under those conditions would pack a huge wallop!


111 posted on 06/13/2006 12:12:29 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: phantomworker
Imagine doing this at Mach 1.5 from 50k feet!


112 posted on 06/13/2006 12:12:33 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: BushMeister

Exactly, your post is right on. And also, something that is not talked about much, the F-22 can carry good anti-ship weapons also, so a few of them, flying in formation at night, over open water, could take out a large task force of enemy naval vesels, like say, CHINESE SHIPS, with one pass, and the chinese wouldn't even get a shot off at the Raptors, they'd just be on fire and sinking. That's why I'd love to see a squadron of Raptors on each Nimitz carrier, or at least a flight of six. That would give each carrier arm a cabability of all weather radar invisible fighters who are superior to any air opposition they might face, while also taking on the mission of being anti-ship bombers, currently being carried by the F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets, and previously the A-6E Intruder. The F-22 could sure be a powerfully potent anti-ship weapon also, and were we to base a couple squadrons of those in Taiwan, I sure wouldn't want to be on any Chinese fleet that attempted an invasion. The 22 can be an amazing deterrant just because of the fact it is so far advanced over anything else, and letting the enemy know that is a great thing.


113 posted on 06/13/2006 12:15:29 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: JRios1968

ROFL! Birds eye view. Looks like you have to hang on to your hat anyway.


114 posted on 06/13/2006 12:17:13 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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To: TexasPatriot8
The F-22 would clear away all SAM sites and other mobile radars that could be used to direct their air units to intercept our planes. Once all those Radar sites and vehicles are wiped out, even B-52s would be free to roam where they want without fear of repercussion.

It's a nice theory and it may work. On the other hand, I recently read an article about a Yugoslavian air defense commander who was able to hide his radars and keep them operating during our bombing -- he wasn't hit by us, and his unit shot down two of our planes. That's not bad for equipment from the 1960's. So I hope our guys don't get too cocky.

(That article was in eDefense online, which has now gone out of business, so the link I have is no longer any good, unfortunately.)

115 posted on 06/13/2006 12:19:08 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: chuckles

Ummmmm...the GAU-8 is 30mm...


116 posted on 06/13/2006 12:19:54 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: TXnMA

You echo my amazement. All they would hear would be, what...a "whoosh" just before impact?


117 posted on 06/13/2006 12:20:05 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: JRios1968

I was up in Mojave last Wednesday and the sky was full of planes flying around. I looked on the website and Test Pilot School was in session.


118 posted on 06/13/2006 12:23:35 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: JRios1968

That's funny. "WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!! YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAA!!! Heheheh.


119 posted on 06/13/2006 12:23:41 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: 68skylark

That's a good point, but that is when the 22 would/could act in the capacity of a "Wild Weasle" like the EA-6B prowlers did in Vietnam and Iraq the first time. Letting themselves be seen, and then pasting radar sites with HARMS or other Anti-Radar munitions. The F-22 would be even more ideal for that, since they could allow themselve to be visible when they want to, to bait SAM sites into "painting" them, and then once they do that, fire a "fire and forget" HARM on them, which doesn't have to have active radar now a days, they'll home and hit the target even when the radar is turned back off, and then go stealthy, change direction, speed, and altitude, and become stealthy again, and the missile would go stupid and never come close to the Raptor. That's very possible, and would be hard for SAM sites or vehicles to get around. The F-22 could also fly cover for more visable bombers and fighter strike aircraft, and destroy radar sites soon as they go active before they can even get a shot off. I see that as being very doable. It's so versitile just about anything is possible.


120 posted on 06/13/2006 12:28:43 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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