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Armor on Iraq Humvees Is Linked to Deadly Rollovers
The Washington Post ^ | June 12, 2006

Posted on 06/13/2006 9:31:58 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

Thousands of pounds of armor added to military Humvees in Iraq have made the vehicles more likely to roll over and kill or injure soldiers, a newspaper reported.

"I believe the up-armoring has caused more deaths than it has saved," Scott Badenoch, a former Delphi Corp. vehicle dynamics expert, told the Dayton Daily News for its Sunday editions.

An analysis of the Army's ground-accident database, which includes records from March 2003 through November 2005, found that 60 of the 85 soldiers who died in Humvee accidents in Iraq -- or about 70 percent -- were killed when the vehicle rolled, the newspaper said. Of the 337 injuries, 149 occurred in rollovers.

There are more than 25,300 armored Humvees in Iraq and Afghanistan, he said.

When Humvees roll, the most vulnerable passenger is the gunner, the soldier who operates the weapon mounted atop the vehicle.

Gunners were killed in at least 27 of the 93 fatal Humvee accidents since 2001, according to the newspaper's analysis.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: Ohio; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: humvee; uparmordhumvee; uparmoredhumvee; wheeledarmor
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Does anybody remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth two years ago that our brave soldiers didn't have armored vehicles and it was all Bush's fault?

Are you wailers and teeth-gnashers happy now?

1 posted on 06/13/2006 9:32:06 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.


2 posted on 06/13/2006 9:36:03 AM PDT by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Looked at objectively, this info highlights the need for a replacement vehicle for the Humvee. The Humvee was never intended to be anything more than a bigger, more versatile jeep. If urban warfare is the trend of the future then the Army needs something better.


3 posted on 06/13/2006 9:36:20 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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"Looked at objectively, this info highlights the need for a replacement vehicle for the Humvee."

No. Looked at "objectively," this information highlights the stupidity of liberals, the press, and various nitwits who thought it was a good idea to begin with.

4 posted on 06/13/2006 9:38:42 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: saganite
 

EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle would fit the bill. 


5 posted on 06/13/2006 9:38:51 AM PDT by King Moonracer
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
An analysis of the Army's ground-accident database, which includes records from March 2003 through November 2005, found that 60 of the 85 soldiers who died in Humvee accidents in Iraq -- or about 70 percent -- were

This article beautifully illustrates the difference between fraud and creative fraud.

First of all the article doesn not state what percentage of those rollovers were in vehicles that had actually been upgraded with additional armor.
Since the upgrading took longer than many wished, it is unlikely that many upgraded vehicles actually were involved in 2003 and most of 2004...

An article with an agenta, obviously...

6 posted on 06/13/2006 9:40:31 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: King Moonracer

I prefer the car from "Spy Hunter" myself.


7 posted on 06/13/2006 9:41:54 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Reactionary

It was a good idea to begin with and if you recall the Army had already uparmored some of it's Humvees prior to the outcry from the press.

Don't credit the loonies with the idea that more armor on the Humvee would give more protection to the troops. They can only take credit for blaming the Army that it was deliberately killing it's soldiers because they didn't instantly and magically uparmor every Humvee.


8 posted on 06/13/2006 9:43:31 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The laws of physics are unimpressed with politics.


9 posted on 06/13/2006 9:46:59 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Publius6961
An article with an agenta, obviously...

Agenta.....a purplish-red agenda?

10 posted on 06/13/2006 9:48:51 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Freerepublic - The website where "Freepers" is not in the spell checker dictionary...)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

How long until the MSM Drive By media types begin demanding that these humvees not have so much armor on them?


11 posted on 06/13/2006 9:50:31 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. 17,401+ snide replies and counting!)
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To: Publius6961
GIs Lack Armor, Radios, Bullets (hatchet job by CBS)
12 posted on 06/13/2006 9:52:49 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ( http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

You beat me to it.


13 posted on 06/13/2006 9:52:53 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: theDentist

Sometime between now and November.


14 posted on 06/13/2006 9:54:15 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ( http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

"hatchet job" & "CBS" mentioned together is redundant...


15 posted on 06/13/2006 9:58:14 AM PDT by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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Does anybody remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth two years ago that our brave soldiers didn't have armored vehicles and it was all Bush's fault?

Yes...and it wasn't just the media. Folks were going on the about the REMF and Pentagon "paper pushers" who wold allow donated armor plates to be added to vehicles immediately.

As I said then, adding armor changes the driving characteristics and gas mileage...a few extra gallons of gas in each HMMWV adds a huge fuel requirement to the AOR.

16 posted on 06/13/2006 9:59:21 AM PDT by TankerKC (¿José puede usted ver?)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

carbon bucky balls/tubes could solve this, I think


17 posted on 06/13/2006 10:00:26 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Just tweek the kick azz suspension,problem solved...if there really is one.


18 posted on 06/13/2006 10:00:34 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: saganite
Armored Humvee replacement competition
19 posted on 06/13/2006 10:01:08 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ( http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the link.


20 posted on 06/13/2006 10:06:58 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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