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Employee verification system would affect all workers, privacy experts say/'No-work list' predicted
Daily Bulletin ^ | 6/12/06 | Lisa Friedman

Posted on 06/12/2006 10:24:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Remember the Department of Homeland Security's "no-fly'' lists that erratically flagged 3-year-old children and dozens of men named David Nelson as terrorists seeking to board commercial airplanes? Well, now privacy experts are warning America to prepare for the "no-work'' list.

As Congress debates immigration reform, experts say a little-discussed aspect of the bill, mandatory employee eligibility verification, is likely to have a colossal impact on the lives of every person in the U.S. labor market -- citizen and foreigner alike.

"Everyone who wants to work will feel this provision,'' said Tim Sparapani, legal counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "People are just beginning to understand the implications of it, and they're big.''

The need for a nationwide system through which employers can verify whether potential workers are citizens or legal residents has been the one element of the pending immigration reform upon which Republicans and Democrats have largely agreed.

But privacy advocates say the rush to mandate widespread eligibility checks is being done with little understanding of the technical snafus that could wrongly put thousands of people out of work each year while leading to rampant discrimination.

And, they warn, the government may also begin to compile new and vast stores of knowledge on every employable man, woman and child.

Department of Homeland Security officials and advocates of the employer verification system say privacy activists are fanning overblown fears.

No personal information is stored or tracked, they maintain, and the program is devised to protect employees from being left jobless while waiting for a green light from the system.

Currently that system is called the Basic Pilot Program, and it is voluntary. About 6,000 participating employers use it annually to electronically check workers' I-9 forms against Social Security and visa info.

Should the system go national, it will have to accommodate a U.S. work force of about 144 million people.

About 57 million people, according to the Department of Labor, take new jobs each year, 13.4 million in Western states alone.

Mark Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said most Americans wrongly think they will be exempt from verification.

"Generally speaking, people who aren't in the immigrant community assume it won't affect them. But for the system to work, it has to encompass the entire American work force,'' he said.

The bills, he said, "put the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security in the middle of every employment decision in the United States.''

Under the Senate bill, employers would be required to use the system to check every new employee, while the House requires employers to check current workers as well as prospective ones.

"This is many orders of magnitude greater than what currently exists,'' Sparapani said. "As a computer network problem, that's a massive undertaking.''

Chris Bentley, spokesman for the U.S. Department Citizenship and Immigration, which oversees the program, said he is confident the Basic Pilot Program could rapidly expand if required.

"Absolutely,'' he said.

Bentley noted that the system is not a database that needs to be created, but rather an interface that can access information from the Social Security Administration and USCIS records.

Ramping up the system, then, would require money and resources to accommodate the heavy influx of new users.

Currently, when employers enter a workers' Social Security or visa number along with other identifiers such as birth date, the system either confirms an employee's eligibility or issues what is called a "tentative non-confirmation.''

Employers are required to notify workers, who then have 10 days to contest it.

During that time, employers are prohibited from firing, suspending or docking pay. Bentley also noted that employees must already be hired and working before the verification can be done, so that employees are not waiting on the wheels of bureaucracy to turn in order to feed their families.

"No one is in a holding pattern here,'' he said.

But reality does not always conform to law.

According to the UCSIS's own 2002 study, employers do use the pilot system to screen applicants. And when they receive a tentative non-confirmation, "job applicants are unlikely to be notified,'' the study found.

Moreover, 67 percent of employees who contested a non-confirmation reported being suspended, docked pay or having their job training delayed while they sorted out their records.

A 2004 agency report found that erroneous non-confirmations for foreign born workers was "unacceptably high'' and "higher than desirable'' for U.S.-born workers.

The errors, it found, are largely the result of data entry mistakes and accuracy problems with either the Social Security or USCIS databases.

"This creates burdens for employees and employers, increased verification costs for the government and led to unintentional discrimination against foreign-born persons,'' the study found.

These days the USCIS pegs the overall error rate as low as 1.4 percent.

But extrapolated to 54 million workers in a mandatory national system, and that could result in more than 750,000 people each year wrongly told they aren't eligible to work.

Sparapani likened it to DHS's no-fly list, which led to dozens of men named David Nelson being detained at airports because one man named David Nelson apparently was listed as a potential terrorist.

"I've called this system the ‘no-work list,''' Sparapani said.

"Pick your common surname. It's a nightmare for the system. And imagine not being able to work and provide for your family,'' he said.

While the Senate bill provides employees with broader ability to contest and appeal their finding, the House version does not.

But accuracy could have its dangers as well.

The more information the government collects in the name of preserving accuracy and preventing identity fraud, the more information the government has on all of us, experts point out.

"It's the government creating another system of identification'' Rotenberg said.

While DHS officials maintained that no employment data is tracked or stored, Rotenberg and others predicted it someday would be. And without privacy restrictions on how the information is used, they warned, numerous agencies could potentially tap into the data at any time.

Ultimately, though, immigration experts said the employer verification program, even with its faults, is the best way to block illegal immigration.

"There are legitimate concerns in terms of privacy and the rights of individuals to access and correct their records,'' said Deborah Meyers, a senior policy expert at the Migration Policy Institute.

But, she said, "ultimately, from an immigration perspective, only an employer verification system has the potential to reduce illegal immigration to the United States, because ultimately it's the job magnet that draws illegals to the U.S.

"The deterrent has to be the inability to get a job,'' she said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 06/12/2006 10:24:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Think National ID card.


2 posted on 06/12/2006 10:24:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: NormsRevenge

whatever. As long as there is a quick way for employers to verify legal status.


3 posted on 06/12/2006 10:28:38 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: NormsRevenge
Nothing new here, move along.

All this does is stop criminals from using your SS number to get a job. Try explaining to the IRS why you did not report the income from your other full time jobs in California, Colorado, and Iowa (you live in Florida)!

We already have a national ID, it is called a drivers license.
4 posted on 06/12/2006 10:30:34 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: NormsRevenge
In one form or another, we WILL have a national ID. Probably sooner rather than later.
5 posted on 06/12/2006 10:31:27 AM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: NormsRevenge

I've been carrying a "national ID card" since the 11th of April, 1969. Never had a problem yet.


6 posted on 06/12/2006 10:33:26 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: umgud

I have never understood the fuss over a National ID. We have 2 already, Social Security and your state driver's license.


7 posted on 06/12/2006 10:33:40 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan
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To: NormsRevenge

"Think National ID card."

Already have it. You need a SS number for many transactions and a drivers license for many more. The government and private agencies already know just about everything there is to know about us. The horse is already out of the barn.
At this stage, I am not against an ID scheme that actually might be beneficial to the average citizen for a change.


8 posted on 06/12/2006 10:34:58 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: fireforeffect

"All this does is stop criminals from using your SS number to get a job."


pffft, is that all? /sarc off


9 posted on 06/12/2006 10:38:15 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Tancredo '08)
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To: NormsRevenge
A 2004 agency report found that erroneous non-confirmations for foreign born workers was "unacceptably high'' and "higher than desirable'' for U.S.-born workers.

This sentence makes no sense. What's the "for U.S.-born workers" part doing there?
10 posted on 06/12/2006 10:40:12 AM PDT by Xenalyte (The trouble with ignorance is that it picks up confidence as it goes along.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The use your SS# for everything in the book now.

It's my medicare#, my pilots licence#, every bank or financial institution demands and uses it, insurance and doctors use it, there's no privacy about your information now.

My SS# is probably known to 100 people for everyone that I know of.


11 posted on 06/12/2006 10:41:01 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Xenalyte

" What's the "for U.S.-born workers" part doing there?"

I would guess that a lot of people working 2 jobs are using 2 names and SS#s, filing 2 tax returns on low paying jobs, getting double earned income tax credits and hoping to someday retire with 2 SS checks.


12 posted on 06/12/2006 10:44:22 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Cat loving Texan

After the Real ID Act kicks in, the state issued drivers licenses or ID's (in compliance with the Act) will become default national ID's. It will then be easy to start requiring them for many functions.


13 posted on 06/12/2006 10:48:43 AM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: NormsRevenge

The National ID will become mandatory for anyone who wants to work. And after the "no work" list gains acceptance, other provisions will be added to the list later, such as no purchasing or selling without the ID. Of course, the best provision for enforcement would be to tattoo the ID on peoples forehead or the back of their hand. /last days paranoia


14 posted on 06/12/2006 10:49:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: NormsRevenge

They want the "no work" list, go look at the inner city Dem registered voters' lists'


15 posted on 06/12/2006 10:50:38 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (A country without secure borders will not long be a country.)
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16 posted on 06/12/2006 10:51:02 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: plain talk
whatever. As long as there is a quick way for employers to verify legal status.

You may want to trade your freedom for your pet cause, but my rights are not broker-able by others.

17 posted on 06/12/2006 10:52:02 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: plain talk
whatever. As long as there is a quick way for employers to verify legal status.

Are all these people going to go on unemployment and welfare if they can't find a job ?

18 posted on 06/12/2006 10:54:58 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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To: fireforeffect
We already have a national ID, it is called a drivers license.

A drivers license is not a requirement. I know lots of people without a drivers license.

19 posted on 06/12/2006 10:55:06 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why not simply verify SS# ? We already have enough ID in place.


20 posted on 06/12/2006 10:57:46 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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